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  • Bendit wrote: View Post
    In defense of the CDC, they have always been and continue to be the best central authority (probably in the world) for disease control of a pandemic nature. If not them then who? The following piece is a sober defense of the CDC and it's efforts on the subject...


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgot...homas-frieden/
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    • What the fuck I just read????

      US troops deployed to battle Ebola in West Africa WON'T be equipped with Hazmat suits

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mat-suits.html

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      • Apollo wrote: View Post
        They should check with the Nigerians

        Looks like they have updated their procedures and ppe coverage....

        " Earlier this week, Frieden announced the agency was immediately changing some of its recommendations, ordering health care workers treating Ebola patients to wear hoods that cover their necks and two pairs of gloves instead of just one."

        http://news.yahoo.com/cdc-rethinking...190206817.html

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        • Right, so they said they had all the answers and not to worry, it would never come overseas. Then it came overseas.

          Then they said not to worry, they're ready for it and have the right protocols in place to address the crisis. Turns out their protocols were horrible, made no sense to the medical community and now they've changed it.

          Frieden went on camera last week and told everybody the protocols in place were right and the nurses were safe with that limited protection, with exposed skin. He said he would be fine to enter under those conditions even though when he went to West Africa he wore a full hazmat suit and took chlorine showers. Why are you so quick to give them the benefit of the doubt when they've now failed almost every conceivable way so far in the US cases?

          Anytime somebody tells you they have all the answers and not to worry, concern should immediately set it. The CDC has mismanaged Ebola in the US from day one and I'm uninterested in what some writer at Forbes thinks. I've been following this day by day and the reality is that most people are against how the CDC is handling this. Some are suggesting gross negligence, it's been handled that poorly.

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          • Apollo wrote: View Post
            Right, so they said they had all the answers and not to worry, it would never come overseas. Then it came overseas.

            Then they said not to worry, they're ready for it and have the right protocols in place to address the crisis. Turns out their protocol was horrible, made no sense to the medical community and now they've changed it.

            Frieden went on camera last week and told everybody the protocols in place were right and the nurses were safe with that limited protection, with exposed skin. He said he would be fine to enter under those conditions even though when he went to West Africa he wore a full hazmat suit and took chlorine showers. Why are you so quick to give them the benefit of the doubt when they've now failed almost every conceivable way so far in the US cases?

            Anytime somebody tells you they have all the answers and not to worry, concern should immediately set it. The CDC has mismanaged Ebola in the US from day one and I'm uninterested in what some writer at Forbes thinks. I've been following this day by day and the reality is that most people are against how the CDC is handling this. Some are suggesting gross negligence, it's been handled that poorly.

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            Like I asked in a previous post....if not the CDC...then who do you believe should manage the response to this outbreak?

            The CDC and the NIH are the 2 preeminent response agencies to infectious diseases. Who would you have replace them?

            The writer in Forbes had a big picture view point because in part he is cognizant of the above question and sympathetic that the reality is that this is a particularly difficult disease and there has been no local experience in Ebola caretaking. You seem to be expecting perfection. Rarely happens in such matters. Was there an available inventory of the suits for every hospital in the US when the procedures were publicized? Was the CDC (or anyone for that matter) aware that a vomit projectile to open skin pores be a problem when those procedures were devised? Do we know that? In the meantime I assume they recommended what they did with the best info available. It needed changing...they did. Considering these guys are supposed to be the best at what they do are you suggesting some nefarious motive? Avoiding a panic is the only one reason I can think of but what has got to do with the coverage procedure leaving the neck open?

            In my view the biggest error was that certain centres (they have 4 now) of treatment around the country were not predetermined so any suspected cases were shipped there to minimize contamination and of course congress cut funding for general research for infectious diseases (ie Ebola) a few years ago.

            Hope you realize that there is a certain amount of political feeding frenzy going on here in the US. A couple of googles provides a plethora of conservative websites displaying the doctor's tweet with the obvious slamming of Barack Obama and subsequent posts bordering on abusive. They wont of course say who put up roadblocks to the possibility of having a vaccine when the vomit hit the fan.

            Any problems with institutions and politics in America have been going on for awhile and this general crisis of confidence did not just begin nor that anyone in a leadership position seems to escape accountability. The financial crisis being a recent prime example.

            So, please, dont blame the CDC ...entirely. These guys foremost are scientists and doctors with an inherent mandate and inner imperative to cure people. There are right now about 200 of them I believe in west Africa putting their lives on the line. So, I ask again, if not them, then who?

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            • A 33-year-old Doctors Without Borders physician who recently treated Ebola patients in Guinea was rushed in an ambulance with police escorts from his Harlem home to Bellevue Hospital on Thursday, sources said.

              Craig Spencer, who was was suffering from Ebola-like symptoms — a 103-degree fever and nausea — spent Wednesday night bowling in Williamsburg, the sources said. He used Uber taxis to get there and back.

              He landed at JFK airport on Oct. 17 on a connecting flight from Brussels, a source said. Spencer’s temperature was 98.7 degrees upon arrival, the source added.

              Clad in hazmat suits, FDNY hazardous materials specialists sealed off his fifth-floor apartment around noon. Cops blocked off West 147th Street between Broadway and Amsterdam after he was taken to the hospital, witness Oscar Nunez said.
              http://nypost.com/2014/10/23/nyc-may...st-ebola-case/

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              • Apollo wrote: View Post
                Yup. Poor guy tests positive for Ebola. His apartment has been sealed off.

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                • Apparently, doc took uber and subway last night. He went bowling.

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                  • Four contacts
                    New York officials said Dr Spencer had travelled on the subway and gone out jogging before he started feeling unwell.

                    But at a news conference late on Thursday, they sought to ease fears of an outbreak in the densely populated city of 8.4 million people, saying officials had prepared for weeks for an Ebola case.

                    "There is no reason for New Yorkers to be alarmed," Mayor Bill de Blasio said. "Ebola is an extremely hard disease to contract. New Yorkers who have not been exposed to an infected person's bodily fluids are not at risk."

                    Governor Andrew Cuomo said, "We can't say that this is an unexpected circumstance."

                    Ebola patients are only infectious if they have symptoms, and the disease is only transmittable through bodily fluids, experts say.

                    Mr Cuomo said officials had identified four people with whom Dr Spencer had contact during the period in which he was potentially infectious.

                    His fiancee and two friends have been placed into quarantine, said Dr Mary Bassett, New York's health commissioner.
                    http://m.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29751495

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                    • Both Dallas nurses recovered from virus! Good news.

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                      • rocwell wrote: View Post
                        Both Dallas nurses recovered from virus! Good news.
                        They had blood transfusions from a survivor. Most won't be able to have this if things get out of hand. On the bright side there are two more people who can give blood with the valuable antibodies.

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                        • 20 Ebola patients missing after attack on quarantine centre in Monrovia.
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                          • Research claims certain strains of Ebola can remain on surfaces for 50 days
                            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...peratures.html

                            CONCORD, N.H. – U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky told a group of college students Wednesday the deadly virus Ebola can spread from a person who has the disease to someone standing three feet away and said the White House should be honest about that.
                            http://www.courier-journal.com/story...feet/17378417/

                            We’ve noted for some time that Ebola can be spread by aerosols to frontline healthcare workers.

                            The CDC is finally admitting this fact.

                            The CDC put out a new poster stating:

                            Droplet spread happens when germs traveling inside droplets that are coughed or sneezed from a sick person enter the eyes, nose, or mouth of another person. Droplets travel short distances, less than 3 feet (1 meter) from one person to another.

                            A person might also get infected by touching a surface or object that has germs on it and then touching their mouth or nose.

                            ***

                            Clean and disinfect commonly touched surfaces like doorknobs, faucet handles, and toys, since the Ebola virus may live on surfaces for up to several hours.

                            Meryl Nass, M.D. – a board-certified internist and a biological warfare epidemiologist and expert in anthrax - comments:

                            CDC says it doesn’t travel farther than 3 feet. Well, at least CDC is starting to move the narrative. Maybe tomorrow it will be 5 feet. Then 10. Maybe next month they will tell us why all the victims’ possessions are being incinerated and apartments fumigated.

                            Just remember: historically, Ebola spread fast in healthcare facilities.

                            And see this.

                            Dr. Nass previously argued that the CDC has been lying about aerosol transmission of Ebola, as its own 2009 publication admitted that Ebola:

                            pose[s] a high individual risk of aerosol-transmitted laboratory infections and life-threatening disease that is frequently fatal, for which there are no vaccines or treatments…
                            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/...ls-3-feet.html

                            So there you have it. In colder conditions, which we're heading toward, it can last up to 50 days.

                            It's also airborne over short distances.

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                            • Better chance of being eaten by a house cat

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                              • This coming from someone in and around ground zero. Strap in, this one is wild and extremely horrifying if true:

                                Ebola, AIDS Manufactured By Western Pharmaceuticals, US DoD?
                                Tue, 09/09/2014 - 09:59 admin
                                Scientists Allege
                                By:
                                Dr. Cyril Broderick, Professor of Plant Pathology
                                Dear World Citizens:
                                I have read a number of articles from your Internet outreach as well as articles from other sources about the casualties in Liberia and other West African countries about the human devastation caused by the Ebola virus. About a week ago, I read an article published in the Internet news summary publication of the Friends of Liberia that said that there was an agreement that the initiation of the Ebola outbreak in West Africa was due to the contact of a two-year old child with bats that had flown in from the Congo. That report made me disconcerted with the reporting about Ebola, and it stimulated a response to the “Friends of Liberia,” saying that African people are not ignorant and gullible, as is being implicated. A response from Dr. Verlon Stone said that the article was not theirs, and that “Friends of Liberia” was simply providing a service. He then asked if he could publish my letter in their Internet forum. I gave my permission, but I have not seen it published. Because of the widespread loss of life, fear, physiological trauma, and despair among Liberians and other West African citizens, it is incumbent that I make a contribution to the resolution of this devastating situation, which may continue to recur, if it is not properly and adequately confronted. I will address the situation in five (5) points:

                                1. EBOLA IS A GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISM (GMO)

                                Horowitz (1998) was deliberate and unambiguous when he explained the threat of new diseases in his text, Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola - Nature, Accident or Intentional. In his interview with Dr. Robert Strecker in Chapter 7, the discussion, in the early 1970s, made it obvious that the war was between countries that hosted the KGB and the CIA, and the ‘manufacture’ of ‘AIDS-Like Viruses’ was clearly directed at the other. In passing during the Interview, mention was made of Fort Detrick, “the Ebola Building,” and ‘a lot of problems with strange illnesses’ in “Frederick [Maryland].” By Chapter 12 in his text, he had confirmed the existence of an American Military-Medical-Industry that conducts biological weapons tests under the guise of administering vaccinations to control diseases and improve the health of “black Africans overseas.” The book is an excellent text, and all leaders plus anyone who has interest in science, health, people, and intrigue should study it. I am amazed that African leaders are making no acknowledgements or reference to these documents.

                                2. EBOLA HAS A TERRIBLE HISTORY, AND TESTING HAS BEEN SECRETLY TAKING PLACE IN AFRICA

                                I am now reading The Hot Zone, a novel, by Richard Preston (copyrighted 1989 and 1994); it is heart-rending. The prolific and prominent writer, Steven King, is quoted as saying that the book is “One of the most horrifying things I have ever read. What a remarkable piece of work.” As a New York Times bestseller, The Hot Zone is presented as “A terrifying true story.” Terrifying, yes, because the pathological description of what was found in animals killed by the Ebola virus is what the virus has been doing to citizens of Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia in its most recent outbreak: Ebola virus destroys peoples’ internal organs and the body deteriorates rapidly after death. It softens and the tissues turn into jelly, even if it is refrigerated to keep it cold. Spontaneous liquefaction is what happens to the body of people killed by the Ebola virus! The author noted in Point 1, Dr. Horowitz, chides The Hot Zone for writing to be politically correct; I understand because his book makes every effort to be very factual. The 1976 Ebola incident in Zaire, during President Mobutu Sese Seko, was the introduction of the GMO Ebola to Africa.

                                3. SITES AROUND AFRICA, AND IN WEST AFRICA, HAVE OVER THE YEARS BEEN SET UP FOR TESTING EMERGING DISEASES, ESPECIALLY EBOLA

                                The World Health Organization (WHO) and several other UN Agencies have been implicated in selecting and enticing African countries to participate in the testing events, promoting vaccinations, but pursuing various testing regiments. The August 2, 2014 article, West Africa: What are US Biological Warfare Researchers Doing in the Ebola Zone? by Jon Rappoport of Global Research pinpoints the problem that is facing African governments.

                                Obvious in this and other reports are, among others:

                                (a) The US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), a well-known centre for bio-war research, located at Fort Detrick, Maryland;

                                (b) Tulane University, in New Orleans, USA, winner of research grants, including a grant of more than $7 million the National Institute of Health (NIH) to fund research with the Lassa viral hemorrhagic fever;

                                (c) the US Center for Disease Control (CDC);

                                (d) Doctors Without Borders (also known by its French name, Medicins Sans Frontiers);

                                (e) Tekmira, a Canadian pharmaceutical company;

                                (f) The UK’s GlaxoSmithKline; and

                                (g) the Kenema Government Hospital in Kenema, Sierra Leone.

                                Reports narrate stories of the US Department of Defense (DoD) funding Ebola trials on humans, trials which started just weeks before the Ebola outbreak in Guinea and Sierra Leone. The reports continue and state that the DoD gave a contract worth $140 million dollars to Tekmira, a Canadian pharmaceutical company, to conduct Ebola research. This research work involved injecting and infusing healthy humans with the deadly Ebola virus. Hence, the DoD is listed as a collaborator in a “First in Human” Ebola clinical trial (NCT02041715, which started in January 2014 shortly before an Ebola epidemic was declared in West Africa in March. Disturbingly, many reports also conclude that the US government has a viral fever bioterrorism research laboratory in Kenema, a town at the epicentre of the Ebola outbreak in West Africa. The only relevant positive and ethical olive-branch seen in all of my reading is that Theguardian.com reported, “The US government funding of Ebola trials on healthy humans comes amid warnings by top scientists in Harvard and Yale that such virus experiments risk triggering a worldwide pandemic.” That threat still persists.

                                4. THE NEED FOR LEGAL ACTION TO OBTAIN REDRESS FOR DAMAGES INCURRED DUE TO THE PERPETUATION OF INJUSTICE IN THE DEATH, INJURY AND TRAUMA IMPOSED ON LIBERIANS AND OTHER AFRICANS BY THE EBOLA AND OTHER DISEASE AGENTS.

                                The U. S., Canada, France, and the U. K. are all implicated in the detestable and devilish deeds that these Ebola tests are. There is the need to pursue criminal and civil redress for damages, and African countries and people should secure legal representation to seek damages from these countries, some corporations, and the United Nations. Evidence seems abundant against Tulane University, and suits should start there. Yoichi Shimatsu’s article, The Ebola Breakout Coincided with UN Vaccine Campaigns, as published on August 18, 2014, in the Liberty Beacon.

                                5. AFRICAN LEADERS AND AFRICAN COUNTRIES NEED TO TAKE THE LEAD IN DEFENDING BABIES, CHILDREN, AFRICAN WOMEN, AFRICAN MEN, AND THE ELDERLY. THESE CITIZENS DO NOT DESERVE TO BE USED AS GUINEA PIGS!

                                Africa must not relegate the Continent to become the locality for disposal and the deposition of hazardous chemicals, dangerous drugs, and chemical or biological agents of emerging diseases. There is urgent need for affirmative action in protecting the less affluent of poorer countries, especially African citizens, whose countries are not as scientifically and industrially endowed as the United States and most Western countries, sources of most viral or bacterial GMOs that are strategically designed as biological weapons. It is most disturbing that the U. S. Government has been operating a viral hemorrhagic fever bioterrorism research laboratory in Sierra Leone. Are there others? Wherever they exist, it is time to terminate them. If any other sites exist, it is advisable to follow the delayed but essential step: Sierra Leone closed the US bioweapons lab and stopped Tulane University for further testing.

                                The world must be alarmed. All Africans, Americans, Europeans, Middle Easterners, Asians, and people from every conclave on Earth should be astonished. African people, notably citizens more particularly of Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone are victimized and are dying every day. Listen to the people who distrust the hospitals, who cannot shake hands, hug their relatives and friends. Innocent people are dying, and they need our help. The countries are poor and cannot afford the whole lot of personal protection equipment (PPE) that the situation requires. The threat is real, and it is larger than a few African countries. The challenge is global, and we request assistance from everywhere, including China, Japan, Australia, India, Germany, Italy, and even kind-hearted people in the U.S., France, the U.K., Russia, Korea, Saudi Arabia, and anywhere else whose desire is to help. The situation is bleaker than we on the outside can imagine, and we must provide assistance however we can. To ensure a future that has less of this kind of drama, it is important that we now demand that our leaders and governments be honest, transparent, fair, and productively engaged. They must answer to the people. Please stand up to stop Ebola testing and the spread of this dastardly disease.

                                Thank you very much.

                                Sincerely,

                                Dr. Cyril E. Broderick, Sr.


                                About the Author:

                                Dr. Broderick is a former professor of Plant Pathology at the University of Liberia’s College of Agriculture and Forestry. He is also the former Observer Farmer in the 1980s. It was from this column in our newspaper, the Daily Observer, that Firestone spotted him and offered him the position of Director of Research in the late 1980s. In addition, he is a scientist, who has taught for many years at the Agricultural College of the University of Delaware.
                                http://www.liberianobserver.com/secu...uticals-us-dod

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