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  • #46
    Axel wrote: View Post
    West's biggest strength is our biggest weakness; low post scoring. For the last few years, the biggest thing missing from our offence was a guy we could throw the ball on the block and let him go to work. JV isn't there yet but will hopefully get there soon.
    The thought of featuring a well-rounded JV post game as a fundamental part of the offence is drool-inducing. We all saw last season how they'd give him a few looks early, but the games always ended up being dominated by the guards. The playoffs showed how if there's any hint of a one dimensional element to your team, the opposition will game plan for it and shut it down. You can't throw the defense at a couple perimeter players if a dangerous post player is standing on the block.

    If this team could manage a top 10 defense and add a post game to the offense, how many wins would that be worth? 55? More?
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    • #47
      S.R. wrote: View Post
      The thought of featuring a well-rounded JV post game as a fundamental part of the offence is drool-inducing. We all saw last season how they'd give him a few looks early, but the games always ended up being dominated by the guards. The playoffs showed how if there's any hint of a one dimensional element to your team, the opposition will game plan for it and shut it down. You can't throw the defense at a couple perimeter players if a dangerous post player is standing on the block.

      If this team could manage a top 10 defense and add a post game to the offense, how many wins would that be worth? 55? More?
      GSW became a top 3 defence and went from .573 to .622

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      • #48
        If there is any truth 2 this and David West availability,u go get him.
        His got 2 years at 12 million per left and Indiana is in difficult circumstances,George is gone,Stephenson is gone. Hibbert sucks and they are looking 2 dump him,for anything. David is looking 2 win,so why not raptors.
        If it means giving them Patrick Paterson(After the 3 months signing mandate,then u can trade him),Fields(Through in(cap money) and 1st rd 2015 raptor pick and 2016 first-round(Bargnani deal)(Denver-Knick) for David West,then why not.
        Guy is proven winner,veteran,great defender,his got edge 2 his game,always like his game,raptors would b instant top 3 team in east,easily.
        Also, 2 years from know he will b free agent,12 million off the books,who is available 2016..yup Kevin Durrant.
        Something 2 ponder.
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        • #49
          Dr Hannibal Lecter wrote: View Post
          If there is any truth 2 this and David West availability,u go get him.
          His got 2 years at 12 million per left and Indiana is in difficult circumstances,George is gone,Stephenson is gone. Hibbert sucks and they are looking 2 dump him,for anything. David is looking 2 win,so why not raptors.
          If it means giving them Patrick Paterson(After the 3 months signing mandate,then u can trade him),Fields(Through in(cap money) and 1st rd 2015 raptor pick and 2016 first-round(Bargnani deal)(Denver-Knick) for David West,then why not.
          Guy is proven winner,veteran,great defender,his got edge 2 his game,always like his game,raptors would b instant top 3 team in east,easily.
          Also, 2 years from know he will b free agent,12 million off the books,who is available 2016..yup Kevin Durrant.
          Something 2 ponder.
          Because that's insanity. That's way too much to give up for a declining guy who at best was a borderline all-star. It's worth at least considering if the cost is something like Pat and salary filler (Hayes, Fields), and even then that's a really tough call....but it's not worth giving up multiple assets.

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          • #50
            white men can't jump wrote: View Post
            Because that's insanity. That's way too much to give up for a declining guy who at best was a borderline all-star. It's worth at least considering if the cost is something like Pat and salary filler (Hayes, Fields), and even then that's a really tough call....but it's not worth giving up multiple assets.
            Why would we give up 2Pats. If Indy is tanking we offer junk to clear 24M in salary of an aging player who wants to at least win games. If we give Hayes+ Fields +Hands , Indy tanks and
            frees space when PG returns, we get a midrange PF and get some cap space now and more a year later. Either West or Hibbert will do.

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            • #51
              raptors999 wrote: View Post
              Why would we give up 2Pats. If Indy is tanking we offer junk to clear 24M in salary of an aging player who wants to at least win games. If we give Hayes+ Fields +Hands , Indy tanks and
              frees space when PG returns, we get a midrange PF and get some cap space now and more a year later. Either West or Hibbert will do.
              The answer to that depends on your opinion of West, and well, more accurately the front office's opinion of him.

              Indy isn't going to give up players for pure trash, even with cap relief.

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              • #52
                white men can't jump wrote: View Post
                The answer to that depends on your opinion of West, and well, more accurately the front office's opinion of him.

                Indy isn't going to give up players for pure trash, even with cap relief.
                Then the deal doesn't make sense for either. Bird should tank though. They're bound to get lucky in the draft.

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                • #53
                  raptors999 wrote: View Post
                  Why would we give up 2Pats. If Indy is tanking we offer junk to clear 24M in salary of an aging player who wants to at least win games. If we give Hayes+ Fields +Hands , Indy tanks and
                  frees space when PG returns, we get a midrange PF and get some cap space now and more a year later. Either West or Hibbert will do.
                  If they shop West, more teams than Toronto will get in on the bidding… and I'd say there's almost a 0% chance that Fields-Hansbrough-Hayes is the best offer that they receive.

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                  • #54
                    Dr Hannibal Lecter wrote: View Post
                    If there is any truth 2 this and David West availability,u go get him.
                    His got 2 years at 12 million per left and Indiana is in difficult circumstances,George is gone,Stephenson is gone. Hibbert sucks and they are looking 2 dump him,for anything. David is looking 2 win,so why not raptors.
                    If it means giving them Patrick Paterson(After the 3 months signing mandate,then u can trade him),Fields(Through in(cap money) and 1st rd 2015 raptor pick and 2016 first-round(Bargnani deal)(Denver-Knick) for David West,then why not.
                    Guy is proven winner,veteran,great defender,his got edge 2 his game,always like his game,raptors would b instant top 3 team in east,easily.
                    Also, 2 years from know he will b free agent,12 million off the books,who is available 2016..yup Kevin Durrant.
                    Something 2 ponder.
                    If they were looking to dump Hibbert for anything, I think he would be gone. NBA GMs' memory is usually not that short. Hibbert is a young healthy two time all star on a short contract. If Rudy Gay can be traded, then so can a cheaper, better and healthier Hibbert, despite bad 4 months of basketball.

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                    • #55
                      raptors999 wrote: View Post
                      Why would we give up 2Pats. If Indy is tanking we offer junk to clear 24M in salary of an aging player who wants to at least win games. If we give Hayes+ Fields +Hands , Indy tanks and
                      frees space when PG returns, we get a midrange PF and get some cap space now and more a year later. Either West or Hibbert will do.
                      They aren't tanking. Their owner is notoriously opposed to tanking. Most people on this forum probably weren't even born the last time they had a high lottery pick (not counting the one that the Raptors traded to them).

                      They might retool and trade West for cap space and a younger piece that they like, which is why I think a Patterson for West idea might be somewhat realistic, who knows. They've done deals like that in the past. Antonio Davis, Jalen Rose.

                      But they don't do tanking, they won't trade West for pure garbage even if that was the best offer somehow.
                      Last edited by BobLoblaw; Wed Aug 13, 2014, 08:13 AM.

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                      • #56
                        I know this is a completely hypothetical situation we're debating, but isn't a big part of the "asset accumulation model" that you're constantly building up the value of your existing players/assets for the chance to turn them into something greater? Swapping Patterson + salary filler for West jumps out to me as a perfect example of that.

                        You could make the argument that PP was a throw in to the Rudy Gay deal, and now a year later you (hypothetically) have the chance to turn him into David West (who is probably a tad overpaid at this point but not egregiously, nor does his contract conflict with our long term plan that should culminate in 2016). There seems to be a lot of people advocating for 2Pat to take Amir's starting spot this year - but turning him into a legit starting PF in West and allowing Amir to come in off the bench seems like a move that would raise the Raptors ceiling considerably for the next two years.

                        The East is relatively wide open this season, assuming that the Cavs will take some time to mesh completely and Derrick Rose and the Bulls will need a season or more to acclimate themselves to one another again. You probably won't be able to say that for very many seasons beyond this one. It may not be the worst time to roll the dice, especially when you're really only giving up one true asset, and not a particularly great one at that.

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                        • #57
                          BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
                          If they were looking to dump Hibbert for anything, I think he would be gone. NBA GMs' memory is usually not that short. Hibbert is a young healthy two time all star on a short contract. If Rudy Gay can be traded, then so can a cheaper, better and healthier Hibbert, despite bad 4 months of basketball.
                          Hibbert might be physically healthy but mentally...,,,

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                          • #58
                            mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
                            Hibbert might be physically healthy but mentally...,,,
                            yeah I don't know what happened last season, but that was one of the biggest nosedives I have ever seen an all star take in a single season. He was fine physically....I would be curious to know what the fuck happened to him.
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                            • #59
                              mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
                              Hibbert might be physically healthy but mentally...,,,
                              I wonder how many people would actually trade him for nothing if he was on this team. It would be hilariously dumb asset management. The guy looked like a top 3 center, and a few months later he gets traded for nothing in return. He better have a broken spine in that case, or if it's a mental problem, then he better be eating a pound of horse tranquilizer every night before sleep. Anything short of that, you have to stick with him. A dump is very premature.

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                              • #60
                                BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
                                I wonder how many people would actually trade him for nothing if he was on this team. It would be hilariously dumb asset management. The guy looked like a top 3 center, and a few months later he gets traded for nothing in return. He better have a broken spine in that case, or if it's a mental problem, then he better be eating a pound of horse tranquilizer every night before sleep. Anything short of that, you have to stick with him. A dump is very premature.
                                It is tough for us as fans to really know what is going on.

                                It was only at the end of this year you started reading comments about Sanders off court issues with booze and drugs.

                                You have to remember these guys are $30+million investments. If they don't pan out or return to form.....

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