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    Default DeMar DeRozan or Klay Thompson - Who you got?

    I saw this posted on /r/NBA, and I was curious as to the forum's thoughts on the matter.

    Edit: I realize this is a Raptors forum. I more so meant explain why you'd rather have DeMar or Klay.
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    Our all-star DeMar. I still believe DeMar will develop that three-point shot.

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    For Toronto, a team without an elite level scorer I say DeMar is a better option than Klay. For Golden State that has Curry, Klay is a better compliment.

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    Ideally T-Ross becomes Klay Thompson.

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    Ideally T-Ross becomes Klay Thompson.
    Well he should at least be better defensively.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Well he should at least be better defensively.
    Which one? Thompson's a very good defender. GS uses him to guard three positions, and they were one of the top defensive teams in the league last year.

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    Which one? Thompson's a very good defender. GS uses him to guard three positions, and they were one of the top defensive teams in the league last year.
    Thompson's a very overrated defender. He's a plus defender, but he's not close to being a stopper. Ross has the potential to be a stopper.

    Iguodala guards the best player on the other team. Curry is an atrocious defender. Klay defends 3 positions because they have to use him on the 2nd best perimeter player the other team has. But he's not that good a defender. He's not strong, and his quickness is not spectacular. He plays really smart and with a good motor, and that makes him solid. He gets way too much praise for his D though in my opinion. It doesn't help that he had a good showing in the playoffs on Chris Paul...but people seem to forget Paul was playing hurt and still played pretty well (in the next round, against Westbrook, Paul was destroying OKC, and no way Thompson is better at defending PGs than Westbrook).

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    Which one? Thompson's a very good defender. GS uses him to guard three positions, and they were one of the top defensive teams in the league last year.
    I'm a little confused about this myth of Klay's defense. He's good, but it's not like he's a shutdown guy or anything. The reason he's asked to move around and cover point guards is because Stephen Curry is too small to effectively guard anyone. I think Andrew Bogut and Andre Iguodala should get the bulk of the credit for Golden State's top-five defense last season.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Thompson's a very overrated defender. He's a plus defender, but he's not close to being a stopper. Ross has the potential to be a stopper.

    Iguodala guards the best player on the other team. Curry is an atrocious defender. Klay defends 3 positions because they have to use him on the 2nd best perimeter player the other team has. But he's not that good a defender. He's not strong, and his quickness is not spectacular. He plays really smart and with a good motor, and that makes him solid. He gets way too much praise for his D though in my opinion. It doesn't help that he had a good showing in the playoffs on Chris Paul...but people seem to forget Paul was playing hurt and still played pretty well (in the next round, against Westbrook, Paul was destroying OKC, and no way Thompson is better at defending PGs than Westbrook).
    Like Ross but his steals rate is a little low. Good secondary defender but not a stopper. TRoss will make his money as a true 3PT Scoring SG that isn't terrible on defence.

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    Which one? Thompson's a very good defender. GS uses him to guard three positions, and they were one of the top defensive teams in the league last year.
    Maybe I haven't seen enough of him, because I've not been impressed with Thompson's defense. He should have much more energy than DD on D, as he doesn't have to do near as much on offense, but see little to choose from them on D. I think the only thing Klay has over DD is his 3 pt shooting, and DD has it over him in every other aspect of the game.

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    Quote ddaylewis wrote: View Post
    I'm a little confused about this myth of Klay's defense. He's good, but it's not like he's a shutdown guy or anything. The reason he's asked to move around and cover point guards is because Stephen Curry is too small to effectively guard anyone. I think Andrew Bogut and Andre Iguodala should get the bulk of the credit for Golden State's top-five defense last season.
    Even add Jermaine O'Neal (who played actually amazing D for them when he played) and Draymond Green, who also guards 3 positions almost every night. And in general, after Curry and Lee, most of their other players are sound defensively.

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    Like Ross but his steals rate is a little low. Good secondary defender but not a stopper. TRoss will make his money as a true 3PT Scoring SG that isn't terrible on defence.
    Man, we already saw Ross be a stopper in flashes last year. At a level I don't think Thompson is capable of.

    Keep in mind Ross played the Iggy role...we often put him on the other team's best perimeter player. And that included using him over Lowry (a very good defensive PG) on many PGs when they needed to really slow someone down.

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    Klay is OK defensively - by no means a stopper.

    That said, Ross is pretty bad still defensively - we'll see if he can make a big jump in the next year or so. He's got the tools.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Man, we already saw Ross be a stopper in flashes last year. At a level I don't think Thompson is capable of.
    I'd go along with this. Of course, I didn't watch every game Klay played last year, so maybe he had some flashes, but in this case, the devil I know is where I'm going. Almost everyone looks better on some other team. Gay, Turkeyglue, O'Neil, etc. etc. We KNOW DD gets better every year and no reason to think that it stops this year even. He could continue to improve for another 2-3 years, and by then, he's just a lot smarter than the young fella's.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    Klay is OK defensively - by no means a stopper.

    That said, Ross is pretty bad still defensively - we'll see if he can make a big jump in the next year or so. He's got the tools.
    Ross, as he has been in all ways since coming into the league, is inconsistent. On good nights he's by far our best on-the-ball perimeter defender, and looks like an elite defender in the making. Just need to get those good nights to be a regular thing....and improve his off-the-ball D (which I imagine will improve with time/experience).

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    For Toronto, a team without an elite level scorer I say DeMar is a better option than Klay. For Golden State that has Curry, Klay is a better compliment.
    i think demar is the better option in both scenarios, by far
    curry and derozan would compliment each other really well, and derozan would actually get to play in transition, he would be much more efficient, and be able to put in more effort on d

    golden state was horrible defensively without bogut, who made them look much better on that end
    klay had a 117 d rating in the playoffs lol

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    Quote draps wrote: View Post
    i think demar is the better option in both scenarios, by far
    curry and derozan would compliment each other really well, and derozan would actually get to play in transition, he would be much more efficient, and be able to put in more effort on d

    golden state was horrible defensively without bogut, who made them look much better on that end
    klay had a 117 d rating in the playoffs lol
    DeRozan actually had a very similar defensive xRAPM score (-0.4 versus -0.2 for Klay). Klay was much better offensively in terms of impact. But obviously he hasn't played in the same role as DD. I'd say as a complementary guy, Klay is much better. As a top dog, tough to know until Klay is put in that position.

    On the Bogut note, he and Iggy were the keys, with Draymond Green providing a big boost as well. GSW DxRAPM (positive is good):
    Bogut: +4.8
    Iggy: +4.6
    Klay: -0.2
    Curry: -0.7
    Lee: 0.1
    Barnes: -1.0
    Green: +3.5
    Speights: -1.2

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    If it's a game of one on one I would put my money on DeRozan
    "You clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in: I am not in danger, Skyler. I am the danger. A guy opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me? No! I am the one who knocks!"

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    I didn't watch enough to go into too much detail re: Klay Thompson's defense, I do know he guarded the best opposing guard all season long (they didn't put Iggy on Westbrook, Parker, Paul, etc.) for a top-5 defensive team, and that the main reason (rightly or wrongly) GS wouldn't include him in a Kevin Love trade package was because of the defensive hole he'd leave behind on the perimeter.

    All that is neither here nor there, really. If Ross does become "much better" than Klay currently is, I'll be a very happy camper.

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    If you need a star player to score the most points and lead the team, then DeRozan.

    If you need a complimentary piece on a championship team (eg placing them on the Spurs) then Thompson.

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