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    Lowry, Demar, Ross, Amir, Jonas

    2Pat would be great in that unit, but is too perfect off the bench as a stretch 4 addind offense to our bench.

    With Casey's love of D, I could see James Johnson at SF - but young players like Ross may be affected by such things.
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    The starting 5 should be the same as last year:

    JV, Amir, Ross, DD, Lowry

    The 5 that ends the game though.. now this is what I would like to see (pending foul trouble and match-ups):

    Offense: JV, 2Pat, DD, Lou W, Lowry
    Defense: JV, Amir, JJ, Ross, Lowry

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    Chuck Hayes, Tyley Hansbrough, Bruno, Lou Williams, Will Cherry. SUCK IT CLEVELAND!!

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    Lowry, Ross, Johnson, Johnson. Valanciunas

    I think DeRozan would be more effective off the bench... 6man of the year

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    Quote allintheeyes wrote: View Post
    Lowry, Ross, Johnson, Johnson. Valanciunas

    I think DeRozan would be more effective off the bench... 6man of the year
    Really? So you would break up the best back court in the east and send DD to the bench so he can contribute 14points/game instead of 22?

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    Sixth man chuck Hayes

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    Lol switch Landry with Lou for me

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    The starting unit needs Amir's glue guy impact and his defense for the opposition's best PF. PP's shooting will be more valuable with the bench where he can play a bigger offensive role and get more touches.

    I agree though that Amir's minutes should be managed so he's 100% for the playoffs. I'd rather make the second round than hit 50 wins, if I had to choose.

    The bench will be even better with JJ and Lou Williams. It's gonna be good.

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    Quote Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
    Really? So you would break up the best back court in the east and send DD to the bench so he can contribute 14points/game instead of 22?
    You can have him play just as many minutes, but mostly against weaker competition, so that:
    A) his defense is less of an issue
    B) he can face weaker defenders and score even more points

    Our starters are a P&R unit, and DeRozan doesn't fit in all that well: he can't space the floor and he's a bit of a ball-stopper. I'd rather see his ability to create for himself put to use when we don't have as good P&R personnel on the floor, guys like Hayes and Hansbrough.

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    Quote Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
    Really? So you would break up the best back court in the east and send DD to the bench so he can contribute 14points/game instead of 22?
    This would probably be the only time in the history of the NBA that a team used their only All-Star as a 6th man in order to give him softer match-ups.

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    Quote allintheeyes wrote: View Post
    You can have him play just as many minutes, but mostly against weaker competition, so that:
    A) his defense is less of an issue
    B) he can face weaker defenders and score even more points

    Our starters are a P&R unit, and DeRozan doesn't fit in all that well: he can't space the floor and he's a bit of a ball-stopper. I'd rather see his ability to create for himself put to use when we don't have as good P&R personnel on the floor, guys like Hayes and Hansbrough.
    Isn't the idea next season to have Demar or Lou on the floor as much as possible but not together. Both play the mid-range and handle the ball. JJ and Patterson together for spacing with Ross or GV. Any lineup with Lou+Demar+JJ+Amir+JV has no spacing at all. This is Casey's starting 5

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    Quote allintheeyes wrote: View Post
    You can have him play just as many minutes, but mostly against weaker competition, so that:
    A) his defense is less of an issue
    B) he can face weaker defenders and score even more points

    Our starters are a P&R unit, and DeRozan doesn't fit in all that well: he can't space the floor and he's a bit of a ball-stopper. I'd rather see his ability to create for himself put to use when we don't have as good P&R personnel on the floor, guys like Hayes and Hansbrough.
    This is all fine in theory but you are asking for locker room trouble and leaguewide mocking if you put our only all-star on the bench. It sends a terrible message that after all his hard work and eventual recognition we would demote him, even if you try to justify it with the minutes argument.

    If you care that much about his deficiencies then you trade him, simple as that.

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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    This is all fine in theory but you are asking for locker room trouble and leaguewide mocking if you put our only all-star on the bench. It sends a terrible message that after all his hard work and eventual recognition that we would demote him, even if you try to justify that with the minutes argument.

    If you care that much about his deficiencies then you trade him, simple as that.
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    Quote allintheeyes wrote: View Post
    Lowry, Ross, Johnson, Johnson. Valanciunas

    I think DeRozan would be more effective off the bench... 6man of the year
    But would our team? This starting lineup has horrible spacing, one of the worst combos in that sense from all the realistic possibilities the Raps could trot out. It also has just one ballhandler in Lowry. So the D will just load up on him and make it very hard for anything to work.

    DeMar is a starter, and making the starting unit significantly worse to make DeMar's life slightly easier is a horrible idea. That's also assuming there's enough ball to go around for GV, Lou and DeMar in a 2nd unit, not to mention Pat also getting his share of shots.

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    This would probably be the only time in the history of the NBA that a team used their only All-Star as a 6th man in order to give him softer match-ups.
    It's so ridiculous, summer time brings out some pretty awful ideas. Trade deadline and free agency are up there too. But I think summer might take the cake.

    While we're at it why not start Vasquez too and have Lowry and DD come off the bench! We'd DOMINATE every teams back ups. Brilliant.

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    Same starting line-up as last year. It's shown to work, and keeps the continuity that was developed. It also gives fewer adjustments as players like Vasquez and PatPat can play solid minutes together.

    Amir can stay in the starting line-up, and keep his minute total down too. Would allow him and Patterson to split minutes at PF. With the new depth at wing (Williams and Johnson), the Raptors can also afford to limit DeRozan as well. No reason for him to be among the league leaders in minutes again this year.

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    Rosters are fluid organisms to start the season while coach figures out a rotation. The season will likely begin with the same starting 5 as last year: KL, DD, TR, AJ, JV

    I suspect everyone will get some burn for the first couple of weeks, but the rotations will settle on PP/GV/LW as major bench contributors.
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    sorry if i offend anyone but anybody suggesting that Demar not start is plainly whacked. You cant have a player starting one year, becomes an all-star, and then coming of the bench the next, specially if he hasnt done anything to deserve the demotion (insert "why allen iverson? rant here". lowry, demar, jv are clear cut starters IMO.

    Ross, id also make a starter, not because he deserves it yet, but because his development is more important than him "deserving" the spot. JJ would probably make the team better if he started, but it probably wouldnt be as far off as Ross starting.

    I'd also move Ross to SG on defense and let Demar guard the SF. Demar needs to learn to handle the top guys. Lebron is always looking to guard durant or paul. Durant wants to guard James. Its time for Demar to take his defense to the next level and guard the elite. plus, demar is bigger and stronger than ross, he should learned to handle the load on both ends.

    Amir, id probably sit. As everybody alluded to, health is a factor. less minutes he plays in the reg season the better for the raptors come playoff time. also, hes the perfect candidate to move to the 6th spot. hes the quintessential pro, always about team, never sulks. i doubt this point in his career he's still concerned about starting or not. i may be wrong, but my take on him is whatever he can contribute to a raps win, he'll be all for it, whether he starts or not. plus, his numbers dont falter whether he comes off the bench or not, and the intesity and hustle are always there.

    Therefore, Lowry/Ross/Demar/2Pat/JV

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    sorry if i offend anyone but anybody suggesting that Demar not start is plainly whacked. You cant have a player starting one year, becomes an all-star, and then coming of the bench the next, specially if he hasnt done anything to deserve the demotion (insert "why allen iverson? rant here". lowry, demar, jv are clear cut starters IMO.

    Ross, id also make a starter, not because he deserves it yet, but because his development is more important than him "deserving" the spot. JJ would probably make the team better if he started, but it probably wouldnt be as far off as Ross starting.

    I'd also move Ross to SG on defense and let Demar guard the SF. Demar needs to learn to handle the top guys. Lebron is always looking to guard durant or paul. Durant wants to guard James. Its time for Demar to take his defense to the next level and guard the elite. plus, demar is bigger and stronger than ross, he should learned to handle the load on both ends.

    Amir, id probably sit. As everybody alluded to, health is a factor. less minutes he plays in the reg season the better for the raptors come playoff time. also, hes the perfect candidate to move to the 6th spot. hes the quintessential pro, always about team, never sulks. i doubt this point in his career he's still concerned about starting or not. i may be wrong, but my take on him is whatever he can contribute to a raps win, he'll be all for it, whether he starts or not. plus, his numbers dont falter whether he comes off the bench or not, and the intesity and hustle are always there.

    Therefore, Lowry/Ross/Demar/2Pat/JV

    I agree with almost everything, except for Amir. Just because he starts doesn't mean he has to play a lot of minutes. I would rather keep him as a starter for now. Depending on how the season develops, you could imagine 2Pat taking over this role. But, I think you have to give Amir the start at the beginning of the season.
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    Having thought about it a bit more, I would actually vouch for Amir in the starting lineup.

    I agree with the point about continuity, and that means sticking with what has worked. Amir can start, but Patterson can still be the 6th man and play heavy minutes for the team.

    I think that Amir completes the starting lineup. He does all of the small things that need to be done, especially on the defensive end. He is still the defensive anchor of this team alongside Lowry.

    On the offensive end, he crashes the boards aggressively and is so efficient in the paint. He may or may not be working on his jumpshot, but if he is, that is a huge plus.

    I'm still concerned about his health, and I would love to see a healthy roster that is primed for spring time basketball. Especially in Amir's case, since he is so valuable to this team.

    Amir can start, but the minutes can definitely be split up evenly between him and Patterson. We also have Hansbrough, although I suspect he will play minutes at the 5 spot.
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