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[charlesnba23]

Landry Fields for Jarrett Jack, straight up.

Nets do it because they won't do anything again this year anyway and that would get them 6M$ in cash next summer.

We do it because Jack is on a 2YR 12M$ contract with a TEAM option for the 3rd so he'll play at his best. He would add so much depth that's crazy plus he's been here before.

Jonas/Greg/Chuck/Lucas
Amir/Patrick/Tyler
Terrence/James /Bruno
DeMar/Louis
Kyle/Greivis/Jarrett

Damn. Sooooo much depth!!!!

[DanH]

No thanks. Eat into our cap room next summer for a player who will be our third string PG and will be fighting with DD, Ross, GV AND Lou Williams for any time at the 2? Would much rather have Landry.

[charlesnba23]

10 men rotation:

Valanciunas, Amir, Ross, DeMar, Lowry, Patterson, JJ, Lou, Vasquez and Jack. That's just dope. Small ball rotation but you have a lot of depth up front just in case. That would be great. Diminish minutes for the core players a bit and it's all good.

[white men can't jump]

So not worth it in any way. Jack is more expensive than Lou and GV, and a worse player. He also needs the ball in his hands and we already have too many guys who like to operate like that. I also think Jack wouldn't be happy in that 3rd PG role, and tends to be a bit of a slacker when he's not happy. So yeah, totally not worth it.

[white men can't jump]

Also it makes no sense to try and accommodate his presence in the rotation. 3rd PGs aren't so that you can play 5+ guards every game. And every minute he plays is a minute where our other guards aren't on the floor. 3rd PGs are for emergencies/injuries. They have no business in the day to day rotation.

[charlesnba23]

Why not? Don't you buy the idea of a small ball rotation?

JJ playing at the 4, DeMar and Ross at the 3. The 5 would be Lowry, DeMar, Ross, Amir, JV but the rotation would be more like this:

Valanciunas/Amir
Patterson/JJ
DeRozan/Ross
Williams/Vasquez
Lowry/Jack

[DanH]

I don't like the idea of giving up cap space just for a reclamation project that would force you to play small ball. Yuck.

[white men can't jump]

Why not? Don't you buy the idea of a small ball rotation?

JJ playing at the 4, DeMar and Ross at the 3. The 5 would be Lowry, DeMar, Ross, Amir, JV but the rotation would be more like this:

Valanciunas/Amir
Patterson/JJ
DeRozan/Ross
Williams/Vasquez
Lowry/Jack

We already have a samll ball team. I'm sure we'll see 2 of GV, Lou and Lowry on the floor just about every night at some point. We don't need to add another player to that mix who'll want minutes and the ball. Our rotation (when healthy) is probably more effective giving the 10-20 minutes you probably want for Jack to the other guys, who I think all have better games.

Don't you buy the idea that 3rd stringers should be 3rd stringers? They shouldn't cost the same as your backups and should either be cheap vets or cheap young players. Anything else is a waste of resources.

[Heatdreamer]

Jarrett jack as the 3rd point guard at $ 6 million. If we have to take Jack and his extra year requie an extra year of $ 6 million raise the ante from the other side

[charlesnba23]

Not 3rd point guard, more like 5th guard.

I don't get why we should not add talent while we can do it. Jack's contract is not that huge and he is only for 2 seasons. As for the minutes, I think it could work out pretty well:

Valanciunas: 30 Amir: 25
Patterson: 25 JJ:15
DeMar:34 Ross:28
Lou: 16 Jack:16
Kyle: 31 Vasquez: 20

[Heatdreamer]

Rather spend it on a quality PF- than a 5 th guard

[white men can't jump]

This is such a bad idea. Too much money to play a strategy that doesn't work particularly well in the playoffs.

Right now we have good balance. We can play small but it would be an occasional thing. It would also be a 3-man small-ball dynamic with 2 of Lou, Lowry and Vasquez....where whenever Vasquez is on the floor we're not actually that small. Instead you want to play heavy minutes every game where our backcourt is 6'3'' or less.

I just don't get it. Jack is not that good a player. He's worse than all 3 of Lou, GV and Lowry. Lou is a better scorer and better "speedy" player. GV is a better combo guard and backup PG. He balances scoring and passing well within the team, and actually has the size to play SG. Lowry is obviously a flat out better PG.

There's just no good reason to get Jarrett Jack. Being able to play small ball for most of every game is actually a con, not a pro.

[charlesnba23]

Who would you rather have? Landry Fields or Jarrett Jack? Why small-ball couldn't be occasional if we have Jack? I think it just adds talent and insurance in case of injury. Jack is a winner. He's now 30, and he's paid 6M plus. If he wants minutes, then earn them. He'll still play, just not as much as he would if he was on a sucker team. I mean once one of Kyle, Vasquez or Williams is out, plus let's say DeMar, you have to play Caboclo, and JJ a whole lot of minutes. With Jack in, this is not happening. Then if Jack is worse than GV, Lowry and Lou, play him less, that's all.

Maybe Brooklyn could add a 2nd round pick.

Plus 6'3 is not that short.

Being able to play small-ball most of the time doesn't mean we need too. With that team, we could play ''big-ball'' most of the time too.

[white men can't jump]

How is Jack a "winner"? If he were, wouldn't a team like Cleveland that just made major "win-now" moves want to keep him?

6'3'' is very short if you end up having to play 3 guys that height or less each for 15+ mpg when you already don't have a SF with size that you can run out for prolonged stretches (James Johnson figures to not be the main SF). Pretty much means you're giving up size at one or two perimeter spots for most of every game you play.

Fields is better because you don't have to overpay him beyond this year. He probably has more value in a trade. And he's been around the team and is a positive locker room presence. Jack doesn't really add anything. And we don't know how he reacts to being put in the 3rd stringer situation. Could be worse for chemistry. Could be unhappy. Haven't exactly been wowed by Jack's attitude over the years.

And then it all comes back to price. If you don't want to pick Jack up to really use him, and he's just for insurance, that's some expensive fucking insurance, and again, who may not even be ok with the situation he's put in at all. We have bigger needs than paying a backup PG 6th man money to be the 3rd stringer. On top of all that, his contract, despite being "just" $6M really hurts flexibility if it's replacing an expiring like Fields. Lets just get an actual 3rd sringer, or rather at least wait and see if Cherry has anything to offer, and if not look for a sensible option.

[white men can't jump]

Our roster is pretty much set. This move just makes no real sense. We have a core 9-man rotation already. We have 2 or 3 young pieces (depending on if Cherry is kept) to develop at the end of the bench. And we have vets in the spaces between. We have guys who seem to fit together role-wise, and new guys who could fit into what was started last year.

OH, and all this can't forget, why the fuck would BKL do this move? Nets are trying to make the playoffs and got Jack to replace Livingston as the backup PG. And with Williams' ankles they can't afford to not bring one capable backup into the season. Jack would probably also be happier in that role behind/beside Deron than playing 3rd stringer here...*And Fields doesn't help them financially. They stay over the tax and lose a rotation player in this deal.