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SI Top 100 for 2015- JV, Amir, DD & Lowry all make the list

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  • #16
    DD at 61 is blasphemous

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    • #17
      Rudy Gay at 67 is actually pretty low as well.

      Funny how they put Drummond directly above DeAndre Jordan as well, Jordan is way better at the moment.

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      • #18
        DeMar at 61 would essentially mean he is roughly 2nd best player on each team throughout the league. I think that is a fair statement.

        For poops and giggles, I'm went through each team to see what players I think are better than DD. I ignored injury history and character as I believe the focus of these types of rankings are talent. Obviously when building a team you wouldn't want to risk it on a shady character or bad knees but at the same time, again, these types of rankings are talent based I believe.... and talent is always in the eye of the beholder. I also ignored rookies because they haven't done jack yet. I also focused on what guys have did in the league at this point in time versus potential.

        Millsap
        Horford
        Rondo
        Johnson
        Lopez
        Jefferson
        Rose
        Noah
        Pau Gasol
        Irving
        James
        Love
        Bosh
        Wade
        Carmelo
        Vucevic
        Lowry
        Wall
        Parsons
        Dirk
        Lawson
        Lee
        Curry
        Howard
        Harden
        Paul
        Griffin
        Jordan
        Kobe
        ZBo
        Marc Gasol
        Conley
        Pekovic
        Davis
        Durant
        Westbrook
        Ibaka
        Dragic
        Bledsoe
        Batum
        Aldridge
        Lillard
        Cousins
        Parker
        Duncan
        Ginobilli
        Leonard



        Toss ups:
        Stephenson
        George (injured)
        MCW
        Beal
        Ellis
        Thompson
        Hayward
        Walker




        So in conclusion, he probably got shortchanged a little but not by much. I don't think he has cracked top 50.

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        • #19
          Well, to be the second best player on each team, you'd expect a ranking of 45th. 61st is more like the worst second-fiddle in the league. Or the best third-fiddle.
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          • #20
            DanH wrote: View Post
            Well, to be the second best player on each team, you'd expect a ranking of 45th. 61st is more like the worst second-fiddle in the league. Or the best third-fiddle.
            You're splitting hairs again and you missed the words "roughly" and "throughout".

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            • #21
              mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
              You're splitting hairs again and you missed the words "roughly" and "throughout".
              Splitting hairs? Putting the players into tiers (best, second best, etc) the difference between 60th and 45th is half a tier. Half of all the players in that tier. That's a pretty thick hair to split.

              And, yes, I read your comment and I saw those words. Roughly and throughout suggest a reasonable rounding to 45th. The reality is, the closest his ranking is to a "midpoint" of a tier (15th - best, 45th - second best, 75th - third best) is the third tier.
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              • #22
                DanH wrote: View Post
                Splitting hairs? Putting the players into tiers (best, second best, etc) the difference between 60th and 45th is half a tier. Half of all the players in that tier. That's a pretty thick hair to split.

                And, yes, I read your comment and I saw those words. Roughly and throughout suggest a reasonable rounding to 45th. The reality is, the closest his ranking is to a "midpoint" of a tier (15th - best, 45th - second best, 75th - third best) is the third tier.
                Ok Dan. OK.

                You're right.

                My bad.

                IN you classic way spend your time defining words versus look at what I typed. The point was, in my opinion, his ranking isn't too far off where it should be. I don't believe he is a top 50 player in the league. My very unscientific approach also ignores rookies and guys in their first few seasons who are likely to break out this season again emphasizing the fact he is not a top 50 player, in my opinion.
                Last edited by mcHAPPY; Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:14 AM.

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                • #23
                  mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
                  Ok Dan. OK.

                  You're right.

                  My bad.

                  IN you classic way spend your time defining words versus look at what I typed. The point was, in my opinion, his ranking isn't too far off where it should be. I don't believe he is a top 50 player in the league. My very unscientific approach also ignores rookies and guys in their first few seasons who are likely to break out this season again emphasizing the fact he is not a top 50 player, in my opinion.
                  Fair enough. Have no issue with the part of your post where you list guys better than him and say his ranking is fine. That's entirely subjective and held little interest for me. Just struck me as odd that you would identify the 61st best player ranking as typical and unsurprising for the subset of players who occupy spots 31 through 60.
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                  • #24
                    Of the top 60 players who is a RFA or a free agent next year

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                    • #25
                      Heatdreamer wrote: View Post
                      Of the top 60 players who is a RFA or a free agent next year
                      54: Klay Thompson (RFA)
                      52: Roy Hibbert (PO)
                      47: David West (PO)
                      41: Manu Ginobili
                      40: Rajon Rondo
                      39: Tyson Chandler
                      38: DeAndre Jordan
                      35: Goran Dragic (PO)
                      34: Paul Millsap
                      33: Eric Bledsoe (assuming he takes his QO)
                      28: Kawhi Leonard (RFA)
                      26: Al Jefferson (PO)
                      20: Dwyane Wade (PO)
                      16: Marc Gasol
                      15: Tony Parker
                      12: LaMarcus Aldridge

                      1 through 10 aren't out yet, but just looking at the list, I'd say they are LBJ, Durant, Curry, Love, Griffin, Paul, George, Davis, Howard, and Duncan. Of those:

                      LeBron James (PO)
                      Kevin Love (PO)
                      Duncan
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                      • #26
                        rocwell wrote: View Post
                        Ryan Anderson is better than DD? Nah.. no way.
                        I'd say Anderson is underrated, but him ahead of DD is a stupid move by SI. Anderson at 60 makes sense, DD at 61 is a laugh.
                        Axel wrote:
                        Now Cody can stop posting about this guy and we have a poster to blame if anything goes wrong!!
                        KeonClark wrote:
                        We won't hear back from him. He dissapears into thin air and reappears when you least expect it. Ten is an enigma. Ten is a legend. Ten for the motherfucking win.
                        KeonClark wrote:
                        I can't wait until the playoffs start.

                        Until then, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they most often stink

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                        • #27
                          I like Demar, but I dont think he is amazing. He has many limitations, but this ranking is a bit insulting. I havent gone through it closely, but he should probably be about 15 spots higher or so.
                          This list is supposed to be for how well players will be this upcoming season. There are many veterans high on this list whose best years are far behind them. While they still have talent, and offer many intangibles, they should not be so high on this list. I'm referring to players like Pau Gasol, David West, Paul Pierce, Deron Williams, Zach Randolph and Luol Deng. Then there are a few players who are probably in Demar's tier but in my mind below Demar like Paul Milsap(very good, but way too high!), Chandler Parsons, Jrue Holiday, Nikola Pekovic and Gordon Hayward. And what is Ryan Anderson doing so high?
                          Its also hard to rank some players, like Rondo, Rose, Tyson Chandler, Brook Lopez, Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade due to recent injuries or in Chandlers case, injuries+disinterest.

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                          • #28
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                            DanH wrote: View Post
                            54: Klay Thompson (RFA)
                            52: Roy Hibbert (PO)
                            47: David West (PO)
                            41: Manu Ginobili
                            40: Rajon Rondo
                            39: Tyson Chandler
                            38: DeAndre Jordan
                            35: Goran Dragic (PO)
                            34: Paul Millsap
                            33: Eric Bledsoe (assuming he takes his QO)
                            28: Kawhi Leonard (RFA)
                            26: Al Jefferson (PO)
                            20: Dwyane Wade (PO)
                            16: Marc Gasol
                            15: Tony Parker
                            12: LaMarcus Aldridge

                            1 through 10 aren't out yet, but just looking at the list, I'd say they are LBJ, Durant, Curry, Love, Griffin, Paul, George, Davis, Howard, and Duncan. Of those:

                            LeBron James (PO)
                            Kevin Love (PO)
                            Duncan
                            LA 1st choice ( though he will stay with Portland) Milsap, and than make the trade for a PF and /or extend Amir 4/36 starting at 7.5 though you could pay him more the first year and lower each other year if the smoothing takes place

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                            • #29
                              DanH wrote: View Post
                              54: Klay Thompson (RFA)
                              52: Roy Hibbert (PO)
                              47: David West (PO)
                              41: Manu Ginobili
                              40: Rajon Rondo
                              39: Tyson Chandler
                              38: DeAndre Jordan
                              35: Goran Dragic (PO)
                              34: Paul Millsap
                              33: Eric Bledsoe (assuming he takes his QO)
                              28: Kawhi Leonard (RFA)
                              26: Al Jefferson (PO)
                              20: Dwyane Wade (PO)
                              16: Marc Gasol
                              15: Tony Parker
                              12: LaMarcus Aldridge

                              1 through 10 aren't out yet, but just looking at the list, I'd say they are LBJ, Durant, Curry, Love, Griffin, Paul, George, Davis, Howard, and Duncan. Of those:

                              LeBron James (PO)
                              Kevin Love (PO)
                              Duncan
                              Thanks, Dan.


                              I would imagine Aldridge and Millsap would get a call.

                              Hopefully LBJ and Love have a major falling out and Love is looking to move across the border.

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                              • #30
                                Might also be worthwhile to throw the max at Leonard and see how much the Spurs are willing to commit to him. Probably gets matched or extended before then, but an elite SF would make a big difference on this team.
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