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    Default Would You Like to See Nocioni As a Raptor?

    Now I know that most Raptors fans for years have been infatuated with Andres, but apparently he's not happy with his lack of a role in Sacramento this season. So, its looking like we're going to have a busy offseason of restructuring this team, should Colangelo be interested?

    Ignore the fact that he's an international player because I don't want people to think we should continue building a team merely because of our current international flavour, but I've always considered Nocioni much of the same mould as Garbajosa with his toughness, hustle and grittiness. Something that we've continued to lack again this season. (Sorry Reggie Evans fans)

    Andres Nocioni would like to be traded if he's not going to be a part of the plan in Sacramento.

    "I think they've shown here, that one: I am not part of this group. Therefore, I don't have a problem. I have to accept it. I think that not being part of a group or not being in the coach's plans or of those in charge is not bad at all. Therefore I accept it," Nocioni said.

    He actually saw his minutes increase when the Bulls dealt him to the Kings last season, but this year his playing time has decreased significantly.

    "For me it's very difficult. I still don't understand what happened. Why there was so much change. Why I found myself playing 30 minutes and all of a sudden I moved to playing five or playing 10. No, no, no, I don't know why. Therefore, how can I tell you, sometimes one doesn't have the answer," Nocioni added.
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    He would be a nice addition. Maybe they could land him for an expiring 2010/2011 contract plus a filler? In other word, maybe they would be willing to dump him?

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    Andres Better SF than turk... hmmm ok! :P

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    I always liked him as a Bull
    I wouldnt mind him coming to toronto, he would bring some REAL toughness
    But like always you only want him at the right price

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    Does he have a good offensive game? which goes along with his defense?

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    No, taking on two years of Nocioni's contract is a bad idea. It will limit the team's ability to make other moves.

    Even if he's available for a Marcus Banks package ... that added year is a non-starter.

    The Raptors can get a better talent through free agency with their MLE than Nocioni. They should keep the financial flexibility for that option instead of settling for a less talented player (Nocioni).

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    Quote Faithleader wrote: View Post
    Does he have a good offensive game? which goes along with his defense?
    Think a more skilled Jorge Garbajosa.

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    Kind of like the Arenas talk, Nocioni is a nice piece when paired with a reasonable contract.... and like Arenas/J.O./Shard/Banks and about 100 other players in the league they will be avoided like the plague until their contracts are expiring...
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    Free agents to get for a small price... (fairly small price...lol)
    Carlos Boozer
    Manu Ginobili
    Brendan Haywood
    Hakim Warrick
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    I like Nocioni. He is a very good two way player, and has a bit of a nasty streak, some might even call him a dirty player. The Problem is you need to find a place for him on Toronto. I think that is tough with Hedo here. Now if Sacramento would be willing to take back Hedo, then I think you can find a spot in the rotation for Nocioni. But as it stands now there isn't much room for him since he can really only play the SF position, maybe a bit of PF if the team goes small.

    If Hedo was going the other way then I would love to get Nocioni. I think he would be a great starting SF playing close to 30 minutes a game. I like him as a starter because he is a good defender and rebounder, and the starting lineup could use that. He would not be a liability on offense because he is a pretty good three point shooter. If Demar develops his offensive game a starting lineup of Bosh, Bargs, Nocioni, Demar, and Jack would have more than enough offensive firepower. As a bonus, they might actually be able to defend somebody.
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    I agree with a couple of ppl who said they would like to see Nocioni here if Turk was gone. But if Turk is staying here, which is most likely, then Nocioni just makes the logjam bigger. Really excited to see the possible shake-up of this offseason, say what you will about BC but he has shown he's able to move big pieces if necessary.

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    Nocioni would be a really nice piece to add. Guy is full of grit and he's not afraid to bang. I think a 'more skilled Garbajosa' is a really good analogy. But like you guys've already said, it'd be hard to get him minutes here at SF.

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    Quote JYFelony wrote: View Post
    I agree with a couple of ppl who said they would like to see Nocioni here if Turk was gone. But if Turk is staying here, which is most likely, then Nocioni just makes the logjam bigger. Really excited to see the possible shake-up of this offseason, say what you will about BC but he has shown he's able to move big pieces if necessary.
    it's going to be a real b**** getting rid of Turk
    I dont see someone jumping at the chance to add a crappy contract

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    I havent seen him lately but liked his game when he was with the Bulls. Does any know what happened to his relationship with coach Paul Westphal?...or has he just slowed down?...because he was a hound on defence and did not shy from playing inside...on o or d.

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    Quote INFO wrote: View Post
    it's going to be a real b**** getting rid of Turk
    I dont see someone jumping at the chance to add a crappy contract
    Oh I know it won't be easy to get rid of that whale of a contract, but BC has shown he's been able to work some magic on the trade tables.

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    The actual interview was in spanish and i read it so I could understand exactly what was he saing without loosing parts in the traslation

    As a fellow Argentinean I've watched him play my whole life and I always loved his heart, passion and determination. He's not a talented player offensively but he'll do anything for his team, a true proffesional and in my opinion a natural winner. Being in Sacramento was a hard experience for him because as a thirty year old player and a very competitive player, he wants to win now, not in three years.

    I think he fits extreamly well in the system, he can play SF or PF and he doesn't need the ball in his hands, most of his points come from open looks, three pointers and assists, he's not the type of player that will create for his teammates or make every one around him better. But I think that if he recovers his touch from outside he could fit with Turk and Calderon (because of their ability to find open teammates)

    About his role, he said in the interview that he's not a starter in this league, and he knows it. I agree with him but he could easly get 20 minutes off the beanch for us as a back up 3 and maybe spend some minutes at the back up PF playing small ball.

    About his contract, It's frountloaded so his salary decreases every year, his last year is less than 6 mill I think. With Banks coming off the books next year and Nocioni demanding a trade I think we can have him for that expiring (if the salary matches) and maybe some future second round pick or one of the two second rounds of this year. His stock is the lowest of his career, it's a good oportunity for us.

    But expect more than a 8 ppg and 5 rpg is unrealistic maybe 10 ppg as much
    Last edited by Raśl; Sun Mar 28th, 2010 at 05:33 PM.

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    Thank you for that Raul. Refreshing that a player is able to acknowledge that he is not a starter in the league any more. If he wants to win now then the Raptors are not a prime choice are they? btw, I happened to notice that he scored 21 pts. in his game today...so it seems they gave him some time. All Argentinian players I am aware of who made the nba are glue & team players...Ginobili & Scola come to mind immediately and of course Delfino while taking his shot a bit much sometimes was pretty good as well.

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    I think I've made my view pretty clear on this guy in the other topic in the Trade Proposal forum:
    He's a stretch 4.

    We have Bargs, we don't need another.

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