The Raptors and the 2015 Draft

[Apollo]

I didn't say pick the guy with the most upside. Upside is more to do with potential which is often never reached.

I said pick the guy who you think is going to have the best career.

Maybe semantics but there is a difference in my opinion.

Most these guys in the back end of the draft are all 'upside'. This is why I'm saying pick the guy who's NBA ready or almost NBA ready because chances are that's one of the only guys who's ever going to be able to truly contribute when talking about the back end of the draft.

[Miekenstien]

i like players with an elite skill or seniors when i think about late # picks

[Primer]

Most these guys in the back end of the draft are all 'upside'. This is why I'm saying pick the guy who's NBA ready or almost NBA ready because chances are that's one of the only guys who's ever going to be able to truly contribute when talking about the back end of the draft.

That's why I like RHJ. Worst case he is a rich mans KJ McDaniels, best case he is Kawhi Leonard. Either way he's a useful rotation player.

[Apollo]

That's why I like RHJ. Worst case he is a rich mans KJ McDaniels, best case he is Kawhi Leonard. Either way he's a useful rotation player.

My opinion, that's a sound strategy.

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[Apollo]

i like players with an elite skill or seniors when i think about late # picks

If it's elite defense then I'm highly interested. If defense is a gapping hole then get that player away from me. One thing I've seen proven almost time and time again is that if the player is a horrible defender when entering the league then chances are he's always going to be a liability and in the playoffs when shots stop falling can lead to an early exit. You want guys who can stop somebody.

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[TacoHD]

Workout Today:
Dakari Johnson
Stefan Mastic
Richaun Holmes

looks like the raps are interested in getting a 2nd round pick tbh. I feel like Masai is a member of this forum

[Axel]

Porzingis is apparently 7'1.25" without shoes with a 7'6" wingspan according to chad ford who states according to impactbasketball


Longest wingspan in draft!


Axel....he just missed being your guy!

We haven't missed on him yet!! Masai, work those lines!!

[ceez]

hmmm i like Holmes. fits what we need at PF. plus he's really young. interesting.

[mcHAPPY]

We haven't missed on him yet!! Masai, work those lines!!

Imagine if Masai traded DeRozan for #7 and it was a white European stretch 4 who was selected.

[Axel]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, looking at who was picked at 20, and only at pick 20, is just silly. Look at who was picked 20-30, the range of guys we'll realistically select from, and you'll find lots of amazing players. I saw this analysis used to show how crappy the #2 pick is, it's just dumb.

First, comparing a detailed pick by pick summary showing reasonable expectations to the moronic musings of draft busts at certain draft slots isn't exactly on point (and a bit insulting to be honest). That poster was entering troll status with their "insight" while mine demonstrates the decline of reasonable production as the draft slot is lower based on historical production.

The specific post was to show that landing a role player at 20 is still a good thing, and to expect more than that at 20 is unreasonable given the history of the draft.

But if we take your point that the 20-30 range should be considered, all that happens is that the averages numbers drop, further demonstrating my point. At 20, best case scenario is, realistically, a role player. The scoring average drops from 7.2 at 20 to 6.25 for the 20-30 range.

[Axel]

I like Holmes!

Mentioned him a couple of times recently.

Dakari Johnson has become a porker and lost all athletic ability in the last year it seems.

Nastic? Practice body.



My total speculation is it seems like they want to see how Holmes does against bigger bodies.

Don't know if you saw this SI piece on Holmes from a couple weeks ago.

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/06/10/nba...-bowling-green

[MixxAOR]

We haven't missed on him yet!! Masai, work those lines!!

2:20 Lowry knows the plan

[Bonus Jonas]

I wish Masai would pull a Demar for #7 and Gary Harris trade

[mcHAPPY]

Don't know if you saw this SI piece on Holmes from a couple weeks ago.

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/06/10/nba...-bowling-green

I hadn't read it.

Thanks.

After reading it all I can think is, "How the hell do you talk trash bowling?"

[Bonus Jonas]

And to think Porzingis was touted in the 24 range last year before he pulled out.