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    I think this deserves its own thread, don't you? Somewhere to compile all the venom that is currently spread out thin among various corners of the RR universe?

    Feel free to post any thoughts, rants, reports of events about this overpaid, laziest and most disappointing player.

    It is not focussed on one particular event in time, but rather a series of events that started before the beginning of the season and still has not ended!

    This signing so far, has proven to be worse than the Jermaine O'Neal trade. Now that is saying something.
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    Just to get the ball rolling, so to speak:

    1) Can anyone honestly believe that instead of helping Bosh get off the ground he went and hugged Don Nelson?
    2) Can anyone honestly believe that instead of giving Jack Armstrong a reasonable interview, he said "Ball"?
    3) Can anyone honestly believe that while not going to practice because he was sick, he managed to go out to a club in Yorkville?
    4) Can anyone honestly believe that he still can't close-out on shooters in spite of the fact that he is 6"10?
    5) Can anyone honestly believe that he still can't turn the corner on a screen and attack the basket effectively?

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    Seriously, what the hell are we going to do with him this summer? Nobody is going to want that whale of a contract hanging around for 4 more years. BC needs to hire somebody to plant some guns in his locker already.

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    The only way I condone a S&T with Bosh is if Hedo is included in the team, but I don't think that will happen unfortunately.

    Can't remember where, but I heard something propose a Noah/Deng/Heinrich deal for Bosh/Turkoglu. If only that could happen

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    I don't think anyone's going to get suckered into taking Hedo. I bet we see him in Toronto (still) next season. Unfortunately.



    I know! Maybe that would sound better in a limerick:

    There once was a player named Hedo,
    Who played "ball" in the city of Toronto.
    His play was just atrocious
    and his contract was so bogus
    That the raptors sunk lower than low.

    Nope, still stings a bit.

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    How Hedo is being used has to have some effect on his performance. In Florida he was a potential all-star so what happened? Arriving in the cold of Toronto he magically became too old and totally unmotivated? Dig a little deeper and find the real reason for his performance. Hedo Turkoglu doesn't "get" the Toronto Raptor system - it doesn't make sense to him and so he's convinced it won't work, especially for him. He just going through the motions until Jay figures out how to use him.

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    There once was a man from Turkey,
    who thinks he's a "ball" deity.
    His huge contract sucks,
    And now we're all fucked.
    Raptor fans cry "Woe is me."

    Nope.

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    Huge bucks! = Lazy = unmotivated = i don't care altitude

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    I actually think we can move him this summer, I think a lot of people believe this season is an aberration and that he's still a good piece on a winning team. I'm just not sure if we can move him for EC or if we have to take on a bigger contract in the process.

    Relevant story. Just before the season stared me and my buddy were stopped right around the ACC and Hedo jumps in front our jeep as we were about to pull out. We had to stop short and I quickly chastised my buddy for almost hitting Hedo, ruining the raptor season and drawing ire from raptor fans everywhere. Funny how things work out.

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    Guys, do we really need a "Hedo hating thread"? I mean really. There is a difference between criticism and "hate". Hate is typically based on ignorance and prejudice. I believe that this place houses some of the brightest basketball fans around and I also believe that they're not prejudice against other races, culture, religions etc. I can't think of a Hedo Turkoglu thread off hand that didn't have a real factual source to the negativity generated within. I don't hate Hedo but I damn well know his lazy play, his lack of team concern and his lack of professionalism accompanied by the large chunk of salary cap he takes up, the very felxibility he takes up, leads me to criticize him constantly. I believe that is fair only until he does something to change this negative reality he created for himself in Toronto.

    When you say "hate" think genocides of millions, countless wars and embarrassing moments in almost every people on the face of the earth. Let's get our terminology correct.
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    actually, if you compare hedo's stats this year with last year's when he was still with orlando, the numbers are not that much off. he was a 16-4-4 guy last year, and this year he's about 13-4-4, and that would be understandable since bosh is an off-the-ball scorer and howard wasnt, so hedo got more touches while howard took care of the garbage.

    what seems to be missing though is his lack of passion for the game, his basketball iq seems to have vanished and team spirit had gone to the dumps. i think its more because his teammates this year are somewhat divided, weems derozan and jack are hanging out, marco, jose and bargs are doin it euro style and bosh just wants go home and update his blogs.

    heres some stuff to further increase your ire against our beloved $53million dollar man.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oalkCMiPLwk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE69d0H9bz0

    yes, he blocked kobe.
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    I'm seeing 12-4-4 and last year's numbers at 17-5-5. The year prior to that one he was at 19-6-5.

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    You don't need to go one year back to see how valuable his impact is when he is facilitating and sitting on number one (driver) seat even if this team doesn't fit his set. When Banks-Hedo couple was operating while Caldys' injury period this guy was about to find his rhythm, his shape and was making his contributions that deserve his contract. His team mates was about to respect his skills and believe in him. Fucking rookie coach turned his switch off and act like its the biggest complex equation to be solved when calderon turned back. He's continuously played with the team like its his toy. Additionally your paparazzi media somehow managed to drag the complexity to another level. And finally your brilliant NBA fan base -which is full of identical parrots that should've dealt with only Hockey- helped him with booes now you re expecting him to show himself in playoffs. LOL. Bullchit

    I bet when he leave here this summer Minister of Economy of Canada will announce end of Global Recession to the world.

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    Guys, it doesn't matter if he has the ball in his hands for the entire game, he's still not putting forth effort on one side of the court, let alone both.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Guys, it doesn't matter if he has the ball in his hands for the entire game, he's still not putting forth effort on one side of the court, let alone both.
    Exactly.

    As critical as I've been of Hedo this season, the effort isn't there. We all know the talent this guy has which is making it all that more frustrating to watch, but its just clear as day that he doesn't want to be here in Toronto. And I'm sorry, anyone who feels otherwise is seriously kidding themselves.

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    I think that is the essence of the fans issue of Hedo, his lack of caring. You can be awful at your sport in Toronto, but as long as it looks like you are busting your ass, you get a free pass or possibly even a long term deal re JYD.

    It's not even like the expectations were high for him. Take some pressure of Jose playing the point forward, create match up problems off the pick and roll with Bosh and then hit a couple big shots in fourth quarters. Even then he was still mostly retained for the play offs.

    I think he came in thinking he was better than he was and that he would have a seamless transition from the two systems. He clearly underrated the effect Howard's defense had in protecting him after his man blew by and how defenses would now collapse on him instead of sticking to the Magic shooters. I also think it can't be undervalued how SVG's super intense, never take a play off attitude kept him motivated, where as his natural tendency leans towards picking his spots and coasting through others.

    As much as I blame Hedo for his failure to show up to camp in better shape and his inability to adjust his game to the system instead of forcing the team to adjust to his, much of the blame has to be put on BC for giving him the summer off and Triano for not pushing him harder or incorporating him more effectively into the offense.

    The main problem with this team is that no one takes accountability for thier own inadequacies or those of thier teammates. Everyone is always blame shifting and no one is man enough to call each other out on thier own BS. That is what Oak did back in the day and as a result those teams never failed for lack of effort.

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    Quote mo-sales wrote: View Post
    I think that is the essence of the fans issue of Hedo, his lack of caring. You can be awful at your sport in Toronto, but as long as it looks like you are busting your ass, you get a free pass or possibly even a long term deal re JYD.
    I think this doesn't just go for Toronto. Any city would turn on a $50M man who doesn't try, deflects blame, and doesn't appear to care about the team but I do agree that if Hedo was struggling but he was trying his best the fans would support him. Thousands of people think he's not trying and doesn't give a damn... Can all these people be wrong?

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    Quote mo-sales wrote: View Post
    i think he came in thinking he was better than he was and that he would have a seamless transition from the two systems. He clearly underrated the effect howard's defense had in protecting him after his man blew by and how defenses would now collapse on him instead of sticking to the magic shooters. I also think it can't be undervalued how svg's super intense, never take a play off attitude kept him motivated, where as his natural tendency leans towards picking his spots and coasting through others.

    As much as i blame hedo for his failure to show up to camp in better shape and his inability to adjust his game to the system instead of forcing the team to adjust to his, much of the blame has to be put on bc for giving him the summer off and triano for not pushing him harder or incorporating him more effectively into the offense.
    +1000

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I think this doesn't just go for Toronto. Any city would turn on a $50M man who doesn't try, deflects blame, and doesn't appear to care about the team but I do agree that if Hedo was struggling but he was trying his best the fans would support him. Thousands of people think he's not trying and doesn't give a damn... Can all these people be wrong?
    I agree... for me personally, after watching Hedo eating pizza before playoff games on ESPN I knew he was lazy. What bothered me were his conflicting reasons for joining the team.

    First it was reported that he chose Toronto over Portland because of closer proximity to Turkey, a cosmopolitan city for his wife etc...

    Then during the press conference he totally rejected that angle and said he chose the Raptors because he felt the pieces around him were good enough to 'contend for a championship'. He said this during the press conf as well as during an interview with NBA TV during the season preview show.

    And finally when he went to Orlando to play his first game against his former team, the Magic TV staff interviewed him and asked him about Toronto and the weather etc. at which point he said he wanted to stay in Orlando but it's hard to walk away from $53 mil.

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