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  • Bandit wrote: View Post
    Pretty sure child support payments aren't taxed either. So that's just 50 grand cash a month. If the kid is two basically she's asking for 9.6 million dollars in cash for the next 16 years.
    There is child support past 18 years of age if the child does post secondary education. My brother in law paid support for twenty plus years even though his ex remarried to a real estate lawyer and was well off to say the least.

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    • Speaking as a family law lawyer who handles issues like this for a living: everybody needs to shut up whining about the amount of child support Amir will end up paying. When you're dealing with a situation where one parent is rich and the other parent isn't rich, then a large amount of child support is absolutely justified, for two reasons.

      First off: children have an expectation in law to be able to live as well as their parents do. In a two-family situation such as this, there is absolutely no practical way to ensure that the child gets to share Amir's level of lifestyle without ensuring that the mother will as well.

      Second: if you want the child to be able to emotionally develop healthy relationships with both parents, then you want to ensure that the effect of Amir's wealth on the child is minimized - which is to say, you don't want the kid wanting to be with the mother less because Amir is rich and the mother isn't. You don't want the kid resenting his mother for not being a multimillionaire - or his father if the kid spends most of his time with his poor mom and Dad gives them minimal help while living the high life elsewhere - and the way you do that is by ensuring that the kid can expect a roughly equivalent lifestyle with both parents. Not "equal," either. Roughly equivalent. (That level of child support seems huge, and it's certainly a great deal of money, but it's not a patch on what Amir will make over the next decade. The total amount of support through the kid's eighteenth birthday is not even half of what he'll make in the next year.) That's all.

      Nobody made Amir knock up this girl. If you get a girl pregnant, then congratulations: you have responsibilities to the kid.

      And finally, everybody whining about her being a "gold digger" seems to be ignoring the fact that she's asking for much less than she's entitled to under the Child Support Guidelines - less than half, actually. And let me be clear: she could go into practically any court in Ontario and get that without trying terribly hard, because that's baseline, and against especially rich parents - and Amir qualifies - you can easily request multiples of the baseline and get it. Amir's babymama is requesting an amount that lets him get off relatively cheaply; any actual gold-digger would be asking for, minimum, that $113K, not the $50K she's asking.
      Last edited by magoon; Fri Aug 14, 2015, 02:57 PM.

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      • magoon wrote: View Post
        And finally, everybody whining about her being a "gold digger" seems to be ignoring the fact that she's asking for much less than she's entitled to under the Child Support Guidelines - less than half, actually. And let me be clear: she could go into practically any court in Ontario and get that without trying terribly hard, because that's baseline, and against especially rich parents - and Amir qualifies - you can easily request multiples of the baseline and get it. Amir's babymama is requesting an amount that lets him get off relatively cheaply; any actual gold-digger would be asking for, minimum, that $113K, not the $50K she's asking.
        If she was smart she'd ask for the $113K, Amir's career is about to wrap up in 3-4 years, after that doesn't the child support money drop significantly as well since it's a percentage of his salary and not a set amount?

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        • magoon wrote: View Post
          Speaking as a family law lawyer who handles issues like this for a living: everybody needs to shut up whining about the amount of child support Amir will end up paying. When you're dealing with a situation where one parent is rich and the other parent isn't rich, then a large amount of child support is absolutely justified, for two reasons.

          First off: children have an expectation in law to be able to live as well as their parents do. In a two-family situation such as this, there is absolutely no practical way to ensure that the child gets to share Amir's level of lifestyle without ensuring that the mother will as well.

          Second: if you want the child to be able to emotionally develop healthy relationships with both parents, then you want to ensure that the effect of Amir's wealth on the child is minimized - which is to say, you don't want the kid wanting to be with the mother less because Amir is rich and the mother isn't. You don't want the kid resenting his mother for not being a multimillionaire - or his father if the kid spends most of his time with his poor mom and Dad gives them minimal help while living the high life elsewhere - and the way you do that is by ensuring that the kid can expect a roughly equivalent lifestyle with both parents. Not "equal," either. Roughly equivalent. (That level of child support seems huge, and it's certainly a great deal of money, but it's not a patch on what Amir will make over the next decade. The total amount of support through the kid's eighteenth birthday is not even half of what he'll make in the next year.) That's all.

          Nobody made Amir knock up this girl. If you get a girl pregnant, then congratulations: you have responsibilities to the kid.

          And finally, everybody whining about her being a "gold digger" seems to be ignoring the fact that she's asking for much less than she's entitled to under the Child Support Guidelines - less than half, actually. And let me be clear: she could go into practically any court in Ontario and get that without trying terribly hard, because that's baseline, and against especially rich parents - and Amir qualifies - you can easily request multiples of the baseline and get it. Amir's babymama is requesting an amount that lets him get off relatively cheaply; any actual gold-digger would be asking for, minimum, that $113K, not the $50K she's asking.
          Not blaming her, but the law is stupid. There should be a maximum child support level regardless of wealth. If Bill Gates and Warren Buffet can deny passing on their wealth, NBA players should also be free to support their children without having to pass on a sizeable chunk of wealth.

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          • I hate lawyers. Sometimes.
            Last edited by rocwell; Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:10 PM.

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            • magoon wrote: View Post
              Speaking as a family law lawyer who handles issues like this for a living: everybody needs to shut up whining about the amount of child support Amir will end up paying. When you're dealing with a situation where one parent is rich and the other parent isn't rich, then a large amount of child support is absolutely justified, for two reasons.

              First off: children have an expectation in law to be able to live as well as their parents do. In a two-family situation such as this, there is absolutely no practical way to ensure that the child gets to share Amir's level of lifestyle without ensuring that the mother will as well.

              Second: if you want the child to be able to emotionally develop healthy relationships with both parents, then you want to ensure that the effect of Amir's wealth on the child is minimized - which is to say, you don't want the kid wanting to be with the mother less because Amir is rich and the mother isn't. You don't want the kid resenting his mother for not being a multimillionaire - or his father if the kid spends most of his time with his poor mom and Dad gives them minimal help while living the high life elsewhere - and the way you do that is by ensuring that the kid can expect a roughly equivalent lifestyle with both parents. Not "equal," either. Roughly equivalent. (That level of child support seems huge, and it's certainly a great deal of money, but it's not a patch on what Amir will make over the next decade. The total amount of support through the kid's eighteenth birthday is not even half of what he'll make in the next year.) That's all.

              Nobody made Amir knock up this girl. If you get a girl pregnant, then congratulations: you have responsibilities to the kid.

              And finally, everybody whining about her being a "gold digger" seems to be ignoring the fact that she's asking for much less than she's entitled to under the Child Support Guidelines - less than half, actually. And let me be clear: she could go into practically any court in Ontario and get that without trying terribly hard, because that's baseline, and against especially rich parents - and Amir qualifies - you can easily request multiples of the baseline and get it. Amir's babymama is requesting an amount that lets him get off relatively cheaply; any actual gold-digger would be asking for, minimum, that $113K, not the $50K she's asking.
              That sentence is the only thing that's needed here, magoon. Great job, man.
              Axel wrote:
              Now Cody can stop posting about this guy and we have a poster to blame if anything goes wrong!!
              KeonClark wrote:
              We won't hear back from him. He dissapears into thin air and reappears when you least expect it. Ten is an enigma. Ten is a legend. Ten for the motherfucking win.
              KeonClark wrote:
              I can't wait until the playoffs start.

              Until then, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they most often stink

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              • raptors999 wrote: View Post
                Not blaming her, but the law is stupid. There should be a maximum child support level regardless of wealth. If Bill Gates and Warren Buffet can deny passing on their wealth, NBA players should also be free to support their children without having to pass on a sizeable chunk of wealth.
                Bill Gates is different, Bill is thier father and is active in fathering and is still married to their mother, that is a will thing, not mandated payments.

                Amir can leave nothing to the kid in his will if that is what he chooses.

                But if The Gates Divorce and the children are of an age that qualifies, then Bill would have to pay support.

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                • magoon wrote: View Post
                  Speaking as a family law lawyer who handles issues like this for a living: everybody needs to shut up whining about the amount of child support Amir will end up paying. When you're dealing with a situation where one parent is rich and the other parent isn't rich, then a large amount of child support is absolutely justified, for two reasons.

                  First off: children have an expectation in law to be able to live as well as their parents do. In a two-family situation such as this, there is absolutely no practical way to ensure that the child gets to share Amir's level of lifestyle without ensuring that the mother will as well.

                  Second: if you want the child to be able to emotionally develop healthy relationships with both parents, then you want to ensure that the effect of Amir's wealth on the child is minimized - which is to say, you don't want the kid wanting to be with the mother less because Amir is rich and the mother isn't. You don't want the kid resenting his mother for not being a multimillionaire - or his father if the kid spends most of his time with his poor mom and Dad gives them minimal help while living the high life elsewhere - and the way you do that is by ensuring that the kid can expect a roughly equivalent lifestyle with both parents. Not "equal," either. Roughly equivalent. (That level of child support seems huge, and it's certainly a great deal of money, but it's not a patch on what Amir will make over the next decade. The total amount of support through the kid's eighteenth birthday is not even half of what he'll make in the next year.) That's all.

                  Nobody made Amir knock up this girl. If you get a girl pregnant, then congratulations: you have responsibilities to the kid.

                  And finally, everybody whining about her being a "gold digger" seems to be ignoring the fact that she's asking for much less than she's entitled to under the Child Support Guidelines - less than half, actually. And let me be clear: she could go into practically any court in Ontario and get that without trying terribly hard, because that's baseline, and against especially rich parents - and Amir qualifies - you can easily request multiples of the baseline and get it. Amir's babymama is requesting an amount that lets him get off relatively cheaply; any actual gold-digger would be asking for, minimum, that $113K, not the $50K she's asking.
                  "An expectation in law to live as well as their parents do". This entitlement culture has got to be reigned in. Of course Amir needs to pay child support but these kind of numbers are ridiculous. It doesn't cost 50K a month for food, clothing schooling and other essentials. "Responsibilities" mean providing the necessities for life NOT the extravagant.

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                  • psrs1 wrote: View Post
                    "An expectation in law to live as well as their parents do". This entitlement culture has got to be reigned in. Of course Amir needs to pay child support but these kind of numbers are ridiculous. It doesn't cost 50K a month for food, clothing schooling and other essentials. "Responsibilities" mean providing the necessities for life NOT the extravagant.
                    i suggest you re-read the post.

                    And yeah, the numbers are ridiculous, just as Amir's salary is ridiculous. But that doesn't mean it's not the correct amount, if it gets ruled that way.

                    Hopefully the child will truly benefit from the money.

                    If you want to be disappointed in something, maybe look at the guy making $10M + per year who won't willingly give his own child a great childhood.
                    Last edited by KHD; Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:50 AM.

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                    • psrs1 wrote: View Post
                      "An expectation in law to live as well as their parents do". This entitlement culture has got to be reigned in. Of course Amir needs to pay child support but these kind of numbers are ridiculous. It doesn't cost 50K a month for food, clothing schooling and other essentials. "Responsibilities" mean providing the necessities for life NOT the extravagant.
                      "Responsibilities" means what a court of law says it means, not what you wish it to mean. It's a price to pay when you live in a society.

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                      • magoon wrote: View Post
                        Speaking as a family law lawyer who handles issues like this for a living: everybody needs to shut up whining about the amount of child support Amir will end up paying. When you're dealing with a situation where one parent is rich and the other parent isn't rich, then a large amount of child support is absolutely justified, for two reasons.

                        First off: children have an expectation in law to be able to live as well as their parents do. In a two-family situation such as this, there is absolutely no practical way to ensure that the child gets to share Amir's level of lifestyle without ensuring that the mother will as well.

                        Second: if you want the child to be able to emotionally develop healthy relationships with both parents, then you want to ensure that the effect of Amir's wealth on the child is minimized - which is to say, you don't want the kid wanting to be with the mother less because Amir is rich and the mother isn't. You don't want the kid resenting his mother for not being a multimillionaire - or his father if the kid spends most of his time with his poor mom and Dad gives them minimal help while living the high life elsewhere - and the way you do that is by ensuring that the kid can expect a roughly equivalent lifestyle with both parents. Not "equal," either. Roughly equivalent. (That level of child support seems huge, and it's certainly a great deal of money, but it's not a patch on what Amir will make over the next decade. The total amount of support through the kid's eighteenth birthday is not even half of what he'll make in the next year.) That's all.

                        Nobody made Amir knock up this girl. If you get a girl pregnant, then congratulations: you have responsibilities to the kid.

                        And finally, everybody whining about her being a "gold digger" seems to be ignoring the fact that she's asking for much less than she's entitled to under the Child Support Guidelines - less than half, actually. And let me be clear: she could go into practically any court in Ontario and get that without trying terribly hard, because that's baseline, and against especially rich parents - and Amir qualifies - you can easily request multiples of the baseline and get it. Amir's babymama is requesting an amount that lets him get off relatively cheaply; any actual gold-digger would be asking for, minimum, that $113K, not the $50K she's asking.
                        Nice post. Thank you.

                        I like it when someone offers a perspective I had not considered.

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                        • The childish response that comes a number of the community members is quite embarrassing, Amir Johnson is accountable for his actions. In this past year Amir made $ 7 Million dollars USD and next year he will make $12 Million USD.
                          If an Ontario court rules that the mother is paid $50,000 CDN, that is 37,500 USD, that is even less amount of funds and probably less than he spends on many of his social activities, or put this into better perspective, if his monies that he made in the last year of his 4 year contract was $7 Million USD and those funds were left in a GIC. Amir could pay off his responsibility by clipping coupons.

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                          • [QUOTE=Hugmenot;510157]"Responsibilities" means what a court of law says it means, not what you wish it to mean. It's a price to pay when you live in a society.[/QUOTE

                            The bigger question is who determines societal values? What is fair and reasonable?

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                            • KHD wrote: View Post
                              i suggest you re-read the post.

                              And yeah, the numbers are ridiculous, just as Amir's salary is ridiculous. But that doesn't mean it's not the correct amount, if it gets ruled that way.

                              Hopefully the child will truly benefit from the money.

                              If you want to be disappointed in something, maybe look at the guy making $10M + per year who won't willingly give his own child a great childhood.
                              Do you truly believe the money will be spent primarily on the child?

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                              • Dont care, if you postulate if the monies were spent on the child? This is well within the guidelines, and as a father who had joint custody of a child with my ex-wife, that pre-determined amount is what the courts ruled was required. The spouse also must provide for a life for the child.
                                In the early years the cost for child care is higher and that is supplanted by other costs as the child grows older. So enough with this unruly behavior.
                                The costs of being accountable are stated clearly, next time wear a condom if you don't wont a child.

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