Valanciunas and Ross on their way out?

[SamMitchells]

Comparing Shaq and JV is crazy talk...

It's just so irrational...

I don't know what to say.

Shaq had over twice as man blocks per game as JV.... Shaq was also SUPER dominant offensively... That's why Shaq played in 4th quarters!

No wonder you act this way.... Calling for coaches head when the team is 36-17....

You really think JV = Shaq lols

Don't give me this "they equals defensively" crap... The two are nothing alike.....

Shaq knew how to use his size to intimidate and play effective defense. AND Shaq was almost unstoppable near the rim when he was younger and also in his prime ....dude also averaged almost 11 rebounds per game over his entire career.




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Yes they are the same defensively . Shaq was not hedging to the 3 point line yet still impacting in a major way on the defensive end.
How did he do it? What would he do in pnr? You tell me.
Those games where JV is 10/12 Fg are his "shaq like" games.
He can not dominate a game when the ball doesn't go to him.

Would Phil go small in the 4th? Just asking a Q, I really don't know.

[special1]

Yes they are the same defensively . Shaq was not hedging to the 3 point line yet still impacting in a major way on the defensive end.
How did he do it? What would he do in pnr? You tell me.
Those games where JV is 10/12 Fg are his "shaq like" games.
He can not dominate a game when the ball doesn't go to him.

Would Phil go small in the 4th? Just asking a Q, I really don't know.

JV is NOT dominant.... That's the point tho.... You're comparing one of the most dominant big men in NBA history to a guy that sits for 2Pat and Amir most 4th quarters....think about that!

Phil didn't need to go small because of how Dominant Shaq was! Guys would literally foul out trying to stop Shaq.... the guy would tear down and shatter baskets for god's sake .....

Dominance is not something that is debatable......you either are or you aren't!..... No coach can make you less dominant and I'm pretty sure JV is top 5 in mins per game on this team anyways.

JV is a talented piece and I think he has a chance to be an all-star player some day.....However, dude ain't dominant and has very few offensive moves in his repertoire to make up for his foot speed when teams go small.....he doesn't demand the ball enough and his teammates don't even trust him as we see him go ridiculously long stretches without a touch.

Does JV even believe that he is the man right now? I'm not sure.....

Once JV starts demanding the ball (like a dominant big man would), producing buckets in the 4th Q (punishing teams for going small), he will see a lot more playing time vs smaller lineups.

Comparing JV to Shaq is unfair to JV....he can never live up to this..... It's crazy talk man!






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[white men can't jump]

Someone really drank up that Leo Rautins interview...

[SamMitchells]

Valanciunas and Ross on their way out?

JV is NOT dominant.... That's the point tho.... You're comparing one of the most dominant big men in NBA history to a guy that sits for 2Pat and Amir most 4th quarters....think about that!

Phil didn't need to go small because of how Dominant Shaq was! Guys would literally foul out trying to stop Shaq.... the guy would tear down and shatter baskets for god's sake .....

Dominance is not something that is debatable......you either are or you aren't!..... No coach can make you less dominant and I'm pretty sure JV is top 5 in mins per game on this team anyways.

JV is a talented piece and I think he has a chance to be an all-star player some day.....However, dude ain't dominant and has very few offensive moves in his repertoire to make up for his foot speed when teams go small.....he doesn't demand the ball enough and his teammates don't even trust him as we see him go ridiculously long stretches without a touch.

Does JV even believe that he is the man right now? I'm not sure.....

Once JV starts demanding the ball (like a dominant big man would), producing buckets in the 4th Q (punishing teams for going small), he will see a lot more playing time vs smaller lineups.

Comparing JV to Shaq is unfair to JV....he can never live up to this..... It's crazy talk man!






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Bro wasn't I mean on the defensive end.

If you don't remember some games JV is the only one scoring baskets. He's like 90% Fg% doing all the dirty work and only scoring . Those games where we run no plays and jack up shots leading to long rebounds that lead to fast breaks..

There are games you can compare shaq to JV. Except shaq gets the ball and JV doesn't.

Also was shaq a LIABILITY on defence? Lets say he wasn't scoring, were the opposing teams taring it up because shaq wouldn't hedge on the pick and rolls? No.. I'm sure they played some type of zone instead of switching and trapping as they do now.

JV not getting the ball is mostly Casey's fault. He's te coach and can force plays.

[SamMitchells]

Valanciunas and Ross on their way out?

And if anyone is reading my post naively, then let me make it clear
I am not saying shaq = JV in skill .
I am saying shaq = JV in footwork. They run the same speed and both can't defend a 3 point shooter...

My question is would teams pick and roll to get shaq on the guard? If so how did he play it out? Did he hedge close to the 3 point line leaving his man open off the roll? Was he expected to control penetration from the ball handler while maintaining his own man and the rebound?
Or did they play a defence to accommodate him?

did Phil Jackson bench him when opponents were playing small?

Shaq moves at the same speed as JV

[special1]

Someone really drank up that Leo Rautins interview...

I'm assuming you're talking about Sam Mitchell because I have no idea what you're talking about.... Never seen the Leo Rautins interview.... Not really a fan of Leo Rautins either .... I prefer Jack Armstrong


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[special1]

Bro wasn't I mean on the defensive end.

If you don't remember some games JV is the only one scoring baskets. He's like 90% Fg% doing all the dirty work and only scoring . Those games where we run no plays and jack up shots leading to long rebounds that lead to fast breaks..

There are games you can compare shaq to JV. Except shaq gets the ball and JV doesn't.

Also was shaq a LIABILITY on defence? Lets say he wasn't scoring, were the opposing teams taring it up because shaq wouldn't hedge on the pick and rolls? No.. I'm sure they played some type of zone instead of switching and trapping as they do now.

JV not getting the ball is mostly Casey's fault. He's te coach and can force plays.

LOL

Ok I pass the torch to someone else.....

JV fan boys are certainly persistent!

JV is nothing like Shaq offensively..... Not EVER. JV is JV. The fact that you think you can compare the two certainly shows how long you've been watching basketball.

Dominant big men demand the ball.....even Kobe had to pass Shaq the ball. If JV was anywhere near Shaq, his teammates would feed him constantly! You seem to have a problem admitting this fact.

There isn't any conspiracies.... Pump fake pump fake running hook shot.....that's about it homie....Don't you think his teammates know this???? I actually think he needs to shoot more to keep defenders honest (he's a good shooter unlike Shaq), but what the hell do I know?....instead of shooting....Pump fake some more.....I don't see this offensive beast at all... Put backs maybe!




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[SamMitchells]

LOL

Ok I pass the torch to someone else.....

JV fan boys are certainly persistent!

JV is nothing like Shaq offensively..... Not EVER. JV is JV. The fact that you think you can compare the two certainly shows how long you've been watching basketball.

Dominant big men demand the ball.....even Kobe had to pass Shaq the ball. If JV was anywhere near Shaq, his teammates would feed him constantly! You seem to have a problem admitting this fact.

There isn't any conspiracies.... Pump fake pump fake running hook shot.....that's about it homie....Don't you think his teammates know this???? I actually think he needs to shoot more to keep defenders honest (he's a good shooter unlike Shaq), but what the hell do I know?....instead of shooting....Pump fake some more.....I don't see this offensive beast at all... Put backs maybe!




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zzz you are not reading my posts. I'm talking about defence and hedging (as expected in the raptors defence)
If you fail to respond to this specific point ill stop replying.
Not looking to argue, but I don't think you are capable of responding anyways.

[special1]

Valanciunas and Ross on their way out?

zzz you are not reading my posts. I'm talking about defence and hedging (as expected in the raptors defence)
If you fail to respond to this specific point ill stop replying.
Not looking to argue, but I don't think you are capable of responding anyways.

My friend.... You're missing my point.

We know that Casey doesn't play Jonas due to foot speed....if you watched basketball for a long time, you would notice that they used A LOT more traditional bigs in Shaq's heyday than they do NOW.

Now we have 6-10 to 7 footers parked at the 3 point line....no joke.

I don't know how much clearer I can be!

The reason I say you can't compare JV to Shaq is because Shaq was simply a BEAST that would PUNISH any team by dunking on them over and over and over again....

If JV was anything close to Shaq, you'd see him play more, but JV is no where near Shaq.....so you calling him Shaq is a massive fail (defensively, offensively, etc.).


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[SamMitchells]

My friend.... You're missing my point.

We know that Casey doesn't play Jonas due to foot speed....if you watched basketball for a long time, you would notice that they used A LOT more traditional bigs in Shaq's heyday than they do NOW.

Now we have 6-10 to 7 footers parked at the 3 point line....no joke.

I don't know how much clearer I can be!

The reason I say you can't compare JV to Shaq is because Shaq was simply a BEAST that would PUNISH any team by dunking on them over and over and over again....

If JV was anything close to Shaq, you'd see him play more, but JV is no where near Shaq.....so you calling him Shaq is a massive fail (defensively, offensively, etc.).


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So if shaq in his prime was on our team would he play in crunch time?

Your answer will probably be..
" yes he will play, though he will be a liability on defence, but he is absolutely expected to rape small ball on offence"

In JV's defence I bring up the games where JV is raping on offence. It happened recently and the interview of Casey was front page where he dodged the question.

But if ur arguing that basketball has changed then why the F are they beefing up JV?

If he's expected to dominate, we'll he's dominating some games and still sitting off. He can't dominate down low and defend the 3.. Not happening , no way.

[KeonClark]

And this, here, is the official Jumping of the Shark raptors Forum statement of the century.

A raptors fan.
doesn't want a trade to improve the team.
is afraid team might do so well, it will go to the ECF.
afraid the coach will get positive reviews for such a sad accomplishment
very worried teams might think toronto's roster might be good.


Wishes, dearly, to go back to 30 win seasons. its better there.
he feels safe.

Fin.

lol this is an awesome post. I either love or hate your material SuperJudge. At least you keep me reading

[KeonClark]

LOL

Ok I pass the torch to someone else.....

JV fan boys are certainly persistent!

JV is nothing like Shaq offensively..... Not EVER. JV is JV. The fact that you think you can compare the two certainly shows how long you've been watching basketball.

Dominant big men demand the ball.....even Kobe had to pass Shaq the ball. If JV was anywhere near Shaq, his teammates would feed him constantly! You seem to have a problem admitting this fact.

There isn't any conspiracies.... Pump fake pump fake running hook shot.....that's about it homie....Don't you think his teammates know this???? I actually think he needs to shoot more to keep defenders honest (he's a good shooter unlike Shaq), but what the hell do I know?....instead of shooting....Pump fake some more.....I don't see this offensive beast at all... Put backs maybe!




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C'mon man! He's saying they are NOTHING alike in skill, offense or defense, they are only alike in that they have slow foot speed and can't guard at the 3 point line.

Also Michael Jordan is very comparable to Terrence Ross because I heard they both like porn stars and have bad social skills.

[special1]

Valanciunas and Ross on their way out?

C'mon man! He's saying they are NOTHING alike in skill, offense or defense, they are only alike in that they have slow foot speed and can't guard at the 3 point line.

Also Michael Jordan is very comparable to Terrence Ross because I heard they both like porn stars and have bad social skills.

Come on man... Read the thread

He did say "There are games when you can compare the JV to Shaq. Except Shaq gets the ball and JV doesn't"....

What does that mean to you? Do you agree with him? Do you think JV can dominate a game like Shaq did...if he had more touches?

That second paragraph was pure jokes tho lol hahaha. good one!

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[Mindlessness]

Come on man... Read the thread

He did say "There are games when you can compare the JV to Shaq. Except Shaq gets the ball and JV doesn't"....

What does that mean to you? Do you agree with him? Do you think JV can dominate a game like Shaq did...if he had more touches?

That second paragraph was pure jokes tho lol hahaha. good one!

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Well, he did retract that statement.

Also, Bogut's the same way defending for the Warriors, lots of articles on how he large an impact he has on GSW. I know JV isn't him but he can be used in the same way.

I suppose the argument then would be if the perimeter D can be upgraded. I think that's probably what Masai is gonna look to upgrade in the offseason. Sign Draymond Green, maybe you don't re-sign Lou, maybe you flip Vasquez.

[iblastoff]

Bro wasn't I mean on the defensive end.

If you don't remember some games JV is the only one scoring baskets. He's like 90% Fg% doing all the dirty work and only scoring . Those games where we run no plays and jack up shots leading to long rebounds that lead to fast breaks..

There are games you can compare shaq to JV. Except shaq gets the ball and JV doesn't.

Also was shaq a LIABILITY on defence? Lets say he wasn't scoring, were the opposing teams taring it up because shaq wouldn't hedge on the pick and rolls? No.. I'm sure they played some type of zone instead of switching and trapping as they do now.

JV not getting the ball is mostly Casey's fault. He's te coach and can force plays.

what in the fuck are you talking about? its like you literally just strung a bunch of words together for no particular reason. sometimes JV is shaq? why are you comparing 2000 lakers playing style to 2015 raptors?

ZONE defense wasn't even LEGAL in 2000. and even after that, you seriously think phil jackson, one of the biggest anti-zone coaches back then wanted his guys to play zone??? what in the fuck.