Where do you rank JV among Centers?

[Abbas]

I think he's currently top 15 and hopefully he'll be top 10 next season

My list
Top 15 Centers
1 Marc Gasol
2 DeMarcus Cousins
3 DeAndre Jordon
4 Dwight Howard
5 Al Horford
6 Brook Lopez
7 Nikola Vucevic
8 Rudy Gobert
9 Joakim noah
10 Andrew Bogut
11 Tyson Chandler
12 Andre Drummond
13 Marcin Gortat
14 Hassan Whiteside
15 Jonas Valanciunas

For the 15th spot some could even argue Robin Lopez deserves it more than JV


EDIT: Roy Hibbert

[Rustyy]

Hassan Whiteside is not better than JV. He had a stretch of like a month where he was great, now he's back down to at least 20-25.

[The Great One]

Too lazy to rank these players but all the guys you mrntioned above are definitely better than JV. Not sure about Robin Lopez though.

I'll put JV in the top 15.

[rightsideup]

you might rank hibbert higher as well although he has regressed the last year or two. I hope I am pronouncing it right but timothy Mozgov with the cavs is pretty good

[CalgaryRapsFan]

JV is definitely in the discussion for top-15 C's in the league right now, heading into next season.

When you consider age, contract, team control, talent, potential, etc... then I'd bump him up into a discussion of the top-10 (since the Raptors are looking longer term than 'win now'). Of course, when taking a future view, guys like Noel need to be included as well.

[Axel]

I think he's currently top 15 and hopefully he'll be top 10 next season

My list
Top 15 Centers
1 Marc Gasol
2 DeMarcus Cousins
3 DeAndre Jordon
4 Dwight Howard - slipped this year due to his back - have to wonder what he's got moving forward
5 Al Horford
6 Brook Lopez - inconsistent and hurt a lot. Can't rebound or defend at all - over-rated imo
7 Nikola Vucevic - beast
8 Rudy Gobert - a bit high considering the sample size
9 Joakim Noah - should be higher - definitely better than Lopez
10 Andrew Bogut - solid 2 way player on the best team, should probably be higher
11 Tyson Chandler
12 Andre Drummond - better rebounder and defender than JV, but not as good offensively
13 Marcin Gortat - averages the same points and rebounds as JV but in more MPG. think the playoffs are affecting his rank
14 Hassan Whiteside - could be a flash in the pan, small sample size for a guy who bounced around a lot.
15 Jonas Valanciunas

For the 15th spot some could even argue Robin Lopez deserves it more than JV

JV is somewhere in the 12-15 range. See notes above.

[Mediumcore]

Where does he rank as far as efficiency and defensive rating?

[Axel]

Where does he rank as far as efficiency and defensive rating?

Well since both of those are encompassed by numerous stats (and can all be debated), that's a hard question to answer; but FWIW:

(Centers who qualified for MPG leaderboard as per BBREF)

Offensive
ORtg - 3rd
OWS - 3rd
TS% - 3rd

Defensive
DWS - 15th
DRtg - 25th
DBPM - 33rd

Overall
PER - 8th
VORP - 18th
WS48 - 3rd


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...rder_by=ts_pct

[Quirk]

Where does he rank as far as efficiency and defensive rating?

6th in TS%

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.ph...erence=&sort=9


10th in WS/40

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.ph...erence=&sort=9

16th in PER

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.ph...min=15&q=usage

14th in EFF/40

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.ph...erence=&sort=8

etc, lots of stats in draftexpress.

[Axel]

Well since both of those are encompassed by numerous stats (and can all be debated), that's a hard question to answer; but FWIW:

(Centers who qualified for MPG leaderboard as per BBREF)

Offensive
ORtg - 3rd
OWS - 3rd
TS% - 3rd

Defensive
DWS - 15th
DRtg - 25th
DBPM - 33rd

Overall
PER - 8th
VORP - 18th
WS48 - 3rd

6th in TS%

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.ph...erence=&sort=9


10th in WS/40

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.ph...erence=&sort=9

16th in PER

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.ph...min=15&q=usage

14th in EFF/40

http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.ph...erence=&sort=8

etc, lots of stats in draftexpress.

Before someone asks, the reason for the discrepancy in the ranks is that I filtered out players who didn't meet the MP threshold for NBA leaderboards. Myers Leonard didn't meet that standard, but is included in DE's list.

Also, draftexpress put Mozgov's stats in Cleveland as a separate entry, as opposed to BBREF which combined his stats from both Den and Cleveland.

[007]

Gobert and Whiteside are a little high given they only produced well after the start of this season.

JV is definitely Top 15, with potential to move into Top 10 (Top 5???) after guys like Horford, Bogut, Lopez and Chandler decline.

[hotfuzz]

I think he's currently top 15 and hopefully he'll be top 10 next season

My list
Top 15 Centers
1 Marc Gasol
2 DeMarcus Cousins
3 DeAndre Jordon
4 Dwight Howard
5 Al Horford
6 Brook Lopez
7 Nikola Vucevic
8 Rudy Gobert
9 Joakim noah
10 Andrew Bogut
11 Tyson Chandler
12 Andre Drummond
13 Marcin Gortat
14 Hassan Whiteside
15 Jonas Valanciunas

For the 15th spot some could even argue Robin Lopez deserves it more than JV


EDIT: Roy Hibbert

Interestingly, he's younger than all, but two of them.

Oh and I would argue he's better than Drummond.

[Abbas]

Gobert and Whiteside are a little high given they only produced well after the start of this season.

JV is definitely Top 15, with potential to move into Top 10 (Top 5???) after guys like Horford, Bogut, Lopez and Chandler decline.

But then guys like Embiid, Noel, Towns, Okaor and Nurkic will be chasing him

If JV really wants to crack that top 10-5 range he has to
- Get faster (Lean down, lose fat, add muscle) (that 45c/40p/15f body-builders use will do wonders for him)
- Build a mid range jump shot (So he can actually use his pump fakes efficiently)
- Improve passing (study Marc, Cousins, Horford and Jokim's games)
- Improve rebound (study Dennis Roddman's game) (also DJ, Gobert, Howard)
- Improve his D (this will come with getting faster) (study Marc, Noah, Bogut and Gobert's games)

[Abbas]

Interestingly, he's younger than all, but two of them.

Oh and I would argue he's better than Drummond.

Well we can argue he's better but MOST people (on others sites too not just RR) have Drummond over him.

I think Drummond is a bit better cause of his rebounding and ability to block shots. But if JV can improve those things i mentioned above in the next few years he will be a whole new step ahead of Drummond.

[Axel]

Well we can argue he's better but MOST people (on others sites too not just RR) have Drummond over him.

I think Drummond is a bit better cause of his rebounding and ability to block shots. But if JV can improve those things i mentioned above in the next few years he will be a whole new step ahead of Drummond.

But Drummond isn't nearly as good offensively. So it's basically a wash in my books. Drummond gets a lot more opportunity to score because his team tries to get him more involved than the Raps, but his %s aren't nearly as good cause JV is way more polished.

You also need to check out Gortat's regular season stats, cause you are letting the playoffs completely warp your perspective.


Don't forget, JV is already on a great path for his position.
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