Everything Bismack Biyombo

[tDotted]

Ben Wallace wasn't an offensive juggernaut

But he was a defensive one. Probably top 3 all time defensive center

[Chr1s1anL]

He's actually better. Biyombo gets blocks but isnt a good defender, JV is much better and as time goes on Biyombo limitations as a defender will rear its ugly head.

What our his limitations on D?

[Chr1s1anL]

But he was a defensive one. Probably top 3 all time defensive center

Yeah, BB has all the tools to do the same. People forget that Wallace didn't become Wallace till he got to Detroit. Before that he was kind of a journey man.

[hotfuzz]

Ben Wallace wasn't an offensive juggernaut

Can we stop parroting this ben wallace narrative. He was a generational defensive player, whereas BB is a career bench player. It's like comparing Dirk to Bargnani. Besides, Ben played almost a decade ago. The NBA has changed a lot since then. Besides, he could finish somewhat around the rim, Biyombo can't do that.

[MixxAOR]

Players are always compared to notable names. Just attach "poor man's" tag.

[tDotted]

Yeah, BB has all the tools to do the same. People forget that Wallace didn't become Wallace till he got to Detroit. Before that he was kind of a journey man.

He was with Washington for 3 seasons, then Orlando for one before heading to Detroit. Not really a "journey man".

In any case, there's a point in time where "tools" just don't really matter anymore. DeRozan has all of the "tools" to score the way Frobe did back in the early 00s. He's clearly not able to do that.

It's not a diss on Bismack to say he's no Ben Wallace defensively.. just being realistic. Stats can support this.

[Chr1s1anL]

Can we stop parroting this ben wallace narrative. He was a generational defensive player, whereas BB is a career bench player. It's like comparing Dirk to Bargnani. Besides, Ben played almost a decade ago. The NBA has changed a lot since then. Besides, he could finish somewhat around the rim, Biyombo can't do that.

You cant say a guy is a career bench player at 23. Ben Wallace only became a full time starter in his 4th year in the league after he left Washington. His first 3 years in Washington he played 147 games only started 32 games. I'm sure people thought that he would be a career back up at that point. Its all about opportunity in the NBA.

[Chr1s1anL]

Ben Wallace never cracked more than 30+ minutes in till he got to Detroit

[raptors999]

Ben Wallace never cracked more than 30+ minutes in till he got to Detroit

Ben Wallace was also not a player you never guarded. He had no offensive game but could finish so you had to guard him

[Chr1s1anL]

Ben Wallace was also not a player you never guarded. He had no offensive game but could finish so you had to guard him

Ben Wallace was a career .474 FG on 5.0 shots. He had 9 years where he shot 45% or lower from the field.

[golden]

Usage-wise, Biyimbo is actually a perfect fit with Lowry and DD. Biz is around 11% USG last few years with high efficiency above 110 ORTG (e.g. putbacks, dunks, FTs,..). DD is around 27-28 and Lowry is around 22-25 usg% respectively. That's comfortably over 60 for 3-man unit, so they can easily absorb BBs low usage. In fact, I would bet that Lowry/DD actually prefer being able to get their own offense, rather than worry about having to keep JV involved. BB also complements Lowry/DD's poor shooting by geting the OREBs. Not too different than Amir's low usage role, except maybe a bit more pressure on the ball handler when BB is setting screens.

[raptors999]

Ben Wallace was a career .474 FG on 5.0 shots. He had 9 years where he shot 45% or lower from the field.

But he doesn't turn it over when unguarded. Not team is trying to stop Biyombo from getting the ball off screens

[Chr1s1anL]

But he doesn't turn it over when unguarded. Not team is trying to stop Biyombo from getting the ball off screens

Biyombo averages 0.9 TO for his career. Wallace averaged 1.0

[Chr1s1anL]

Usage-wise, Biyimbo is actually a perfect fit with Lowry and DD. Biz is around 11% USG last few years with high efficiency above 110 ORTG (e.g. putbacks, dunks, FTs,..). DD is around 27-28 and Lowry is around 22-25 usg% respectively. That's comfortably over 60 for 3-man unit, so they can easily absorb BBs low usage. In fact, I would bet that Lowry/DD actually prefer being able to get their own offense, rather than worry about having to keep JV involved. BB also complements Lowry/DD's poor shooting by geting the OREBs. Not too different than Amir's low usage role, except maybe a bit more pressure on the ball handler when BB is setting screens.

Exactly JV could come off the bench and get all the shoots he wants.

[raptors999]

Biyombo averages 0.9 TO for his career. Wallace averaged 1.0

Watch games. Biyombo is turning the ball over for no reason. 1 vs .9 is bvad when he ius completely unguarded by NBA standards. A Biyombo screen is a double every time