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  • A brilliant synposis of why the world is headed for World War (Putin address to UN)

    Fourteen years after we invaded Afghanistan, Afghan troops are once again fighting Taliban forces for control of Kunduz. Only 10,000 U.S. troops still in that ravaged country prevent the Taliban’s triumphal return to power.

    A dozen years after George W. Bush invaded Iraq, ISIS occupies its second city, Mosul, controls its largest province, Anbar, and holds Anbar’s capital, Ramadi, as Baghdad turns away from us — to Tehran.

    The cost to Iraqis of their “liberation”? A hundred thousand dead, half a million widows and fatherless children, millions gone from the country and, still, unending war.

    How has Libya fared since we “liberated” that land? A failed state, it is torn apart by a civil war between an Islamist “Libya Dawn” in Tripoli and a Tobruk regime backed by Egypt’s dictator.

    Then there is Yemen. Since March, when Houthi rebels chased a Saudi sock puppet from power, Riyadh, backed by U.S. ordinance and intel, has been bombing that poorest of nations in the Arab world.

    Five thousand are dead and 25,000 wounded since March. And as the 25 million Yemeni depend on imports for food, which have been largely cut off, what is happening is described by one U.N. official as a “humanitarian catastrophe.”

    “Yemen after five months looks like Syria after five years,” said the international head of the Red Cross on his return.

    What does Putin see as the ideological root of these disasters?

    “After the end of the Cold War, a single center of domination emerged in the world, and then those who found themselves at the top of the pyramid were tempted to think they were strong and exceptional, they knew better.”

    Then, adopting policies “based on self-conceit and belief in one’s exceptionality and impunity,” this “single center of domination,” the United States, began to export “so-called democratic” revolutions.

    How did it all turn out? Says Putin:

    “An aggressive foreign interference has resulted in a brazen destruction of national institutions. … Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster.



    Nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life.”

    Is Putin wrong in his depiction of what happened to the Middle East after we plunged in? Or does his summary of what American interventions have wrought echo the warnings made against them for years by American dissenters?

    Putin concept of “state sovereignty” is this: “We are all different, and we should respect that. No one has to conform to a single development model that someone has once and for all recognized as the right one.”

    The Soviet Union tried that way, said Putin, and failed. Now the Americans are trying the same thing, and they will reach the same end.

    Unlike most U.N. speeches, Putin’s merits study. For he not only identifies the U.S. mindset that helped to produce the new world disorder, he identifies a primary cause of the emerging second Cold War.

    To Putin, the West’s exploitation of its Cold War victory to move NATO onto Russia’s doorstep caused the visceral Russian recoil. The U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine that overthrew the elected pro-Russian government led straight to the violent reaction in the pro-Russian Donbas.

    What Putin seems to be saying to us is this:

    If America’s elites continue to assert their right to intervene in the internal affairs of nations, to make them conform to a U.S. ideal of what is a good society and legitimate government, then we are headed for endless conflict. And, one day, this will inevitably result in war, as more and more nations resist America’s moral imperialism.

    Nations have a right to be themselves, Putin is saying.

    They have the right to reflect in their institutions their own histories, beliefs, values and traditions, even if that results in what Americans regard as illiberal democracies or authoritarian capitalism or even Muslim theocracies.

    There was a time, not so long ago, when Americans had no problem with this, when Americans accepted a diversity of regimes abroad. Indeed, a belief in nonintervention abroad was once the very cornerstone of American foreign policy.
    Wednesday and Thursday, Putin’s forces in Syria bombed the camps of U.S.-backed rebels seeking to overthrow Assad. Putin is sending a signal: Russia is willing to ride the escalator up to a collision with the United States to prevent us and our Sunni Arab and Turkish allies from dumping over Assad, which could bring ISIS to power in Damascus.

    Perhaps it is time to climb down off our ideological high horse and start respecting the vital interests of other sovereign nations, even as we protect and defend our own.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-1...dition-exposed

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    If you are going to be so depressing with your outlook let me offer one that goes somewhat further. This is a talk by Col. Wilkerson who has been rocking the boat in Washington and the defence establishment for a while now. He was Gen. Powell's right hand man (broke away from him) and was one insider who was upfront about the fuck up in Iraq and all that followed. He is also a historian and lecturer and speaks well to many of the points raised in your recent posts.


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    • #3
      i took putins' speech literally. he basically said that anyone can start their own country, if they want and everyone else has to respect it. then added that you can do whatever you want to do in your own country. pure freedom

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      • #4
        except when you are torturing people..... cuz i dont give a fuck about "political borders", torture, and deprivation of human rights is a crime against humanity.

        Now.... don't misinterpret my rage.... the US, Canada, GB.... these tits arent there to help people..... so its a really messed up clusterfuck.

        Putin is right...sort of. But only sort of.

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        • #5
          Nations have a right to be themselves, Putin is saying.
          So Putin will be returning Crimea to the Ukraine then? Right, thought so..... I wonder what the Chechnyans think about Vlad's new international philosophy? Or the Georgians?

          Although, it's good to see Putin took some time out from murdering his domestic political opposition to travel a bit and see the world.

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          • #6
            slaw wrote: View Post
            So Putin will be returning Crimea to the Ukraine then? Right, thought so..... I wonder what the Chechnyans think about Vlad's new international philosophy? Or the Georgians?

            Although, it's good to see Putin took some time out from murdering his domestic political opposition to travel a bit and see the world.
            he is saying that those crimeans that want to be russians are russians and they have that right. he is saying taiwan is a country, xinjiang is a country and tibet is a country. ireland is a country. people in russia that want to make their own country can, happily do that and russia will gladly allow them too.

            then he is saying that what each country does in it's own territory is it's own business. so those people that want their own countries can then be tortured into changing their minds and everyone needs to respect that.

            this logic is then how he showed how much better he is than obama

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            • #7
              Bendit wrote: View Post
              If you are going to be so depressing with your outlook let me offer one that goes somewhat further. This is a talk by Col. Wilkerson who has been rocking the boat in Washington and the defence establishment for a while now. He was Gen. Powell's right hand man (broke away from him) and was one insider who was upfront about the fuck up in Iraq and all that followed. He is also a historian and lecturer and speaks well to many of the points raised in your recent posts.


              I'm surprised they haven't tried to come after his credibility in some way. He's not pulling any punches.

              Superjudge wrote: View Post
              except when you are torturing people..... cuz i dont give a fuck about "political borders", torture, and deprivation of human rights is a crime against humanity.

              Now.... don't misinterpret my rage.... the US, Canada, GB.... these tits arent there to help people..... so its a really messed up clusterfuck.

              Putin is right...sort of. But only sort of.
              We all know there are many civilized countries out there torturing people and the United States is at the top of that list. Torture is not a good enough reason if we're in bed with those who take part in such practices.

              If there is no act of war. If there is no real threat of war against our nation. If there is no invitation to enter (ie: Russian in Syria and Iraq or Canada in Afghanistan). If the United Nations has not agreed to enter then what true justification does another country have?

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              • #8
                Apollo wrote: View Post
                I'm surprised they haven't tried to come after his credibility in some way. He's not pulling any punches.


                There are at least 3 which come to mind :

                a) he is now retired and a citizen (not encumbered by the military) who is primarily a historian, educator/lecturer at large incl. a university
                b) he was Gen Powell's chief aide when Powell was the most powerful soldier in the military and Sec. of State. He knows where the skeletons are and probably has proof
                c) he is self confessed and self loathing for having assisted Powell in the infamous bs speech given at the UN making the case to invade Iraq...when he knew it was.


                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Wilkerson

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                • #9
                  1st armed conflict of 2016?

                  BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Arabia severs diplomatic ties with Iran over storming of their embassy after execution of Shiite cleric with officials ordered to leave within 48 hours

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                  • #10
                    Soo... Man-made earthquake detected near North Korea's nuclear site & underground testing centre...

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