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    Below is a clip from an article written by Matthew Gordon over at RealGM.com. The article is quite large, touches on various topics. CLICK HERE to read it in its entirety:

    For all that can be said about the deficiencies plaguing the on-court product, the front office hasn't fared much better. For the league's elite teams, there has been a proven way to build a roster, and the Raptors haven't done anything close to it.

    The NBA's two most recent champions reached the league's pinnacle in surprisingly similar ways. The Celtics and Lakers each had a perimeter star in his prime (Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant, respectively), but each lacked a big-time post player to be a secondary scorer and to anchor the defense Boston was able to use an armory of trade pieces (Al Jefferson, an approximately $13 million expiring contract, and two first-round picks) to acquire Kevin Garnett, who became the 2008 Defensive Player of the Year as the team romped to 66 wins and never looked back.

    During that season, Los Angeles traded the rights to Marc Gasol, an approximately $9 million expiring contract in Kwame Brown, and two first-round picks for Pau Gasol. Since then, the Lakers have won the 2008 Western Conference Finals and the 2009 Finals, and are currently the top team in the West. While the Celtics gave more for Garnett, commensurate with the future Hall of Famer's higher trade value at the time, the trades are uncannily similar. Indeed, the Pistons' 2004 pickup of Rasheed Wallace en route to their championship that season followed roughly the same pattern – the team traded expiring contracts and a first-round pick.

    For those wanting the Raptors to become a contender, or wondering why marquee franchises land the Garnetts and Gasols of the world while the Raptors don't, look no further than the accumulated asset bank. Danny Ainge had spent his tenure as general manager tirelessly seeking draft picks and young talent in order to have the kind of stockpile that would allow for such a trade. Even in a trade as maligned as the one that sent Shaq to Miami, the Lakers managed to win back a first-round pick, along with two young players in Caron Butler and Lamar Odom. One of the picks in the Garnett deal, ironically enough, was a pick that Minnesota had given Boston in a prior trade between the teams.

    The trend is that in order to have the vaults of picks necessary to pry a disgruntled star from a rebuilding team, those picks have to be acquired in the first place. The Raptors, conversely, have a history not of obtaining extra draft picks, but of trading them away.

    Due to being left with draft pick debt that cost the team its first-rounder in 2007, and then his decision to ship the 2008 pick in the T.J. Ford/Jermaine O'Neal trade, Bryan Colangelo will be making only his third first-round selection this coming June despite having been with the team since 2006. Had the Raptors made the playoffs, their pick would have reverted to the Heat, the consequence of Colangelo's inclusion of it in the Jermaine O'Neal/Shawn Marion trade.

    What was essentially two first-round picks to turn T.J. Ford into Shawn Marion became disastrous, as the team used its new-found opportunity to land Hedo Turkoglu for $53 million over five years. Turkoglu's contract has emerged as a noose for the team, while his on-court production has suffered considerably. Even though it would be tempting to trade a pick or two as enticement for a team to pick up Turkoglu's contract, the team would be back into pick debt. Even a basic contract dump would be virtually impossible at this point, let alone a deal that could convert Raptor futures into a promising present.

    Even more disconcerting is that the Raptors haven't historically been in the market for extra picks. In the 2001 trade that sent Corliss Williamson and scraps to Detroit for Jerome Williams and Eric Montross, for example, the Raptors were the team giving up the draft pick despite also trading the best player in the deal. While the spirit behind gaining Lamond Murray the following year was admirable, the Raptors yet again traded a first-round pick in the exchange.

    Only the Damon Stoudamire for Kenny Anderson and Alvin Williams trade, in which the Raptors received two first-rounders and a second-rounder, really stands out among the heap. That trade, of course, was all the way back in 1998.

    The soon-to-be-expiring contracts of Reggie Evans ($5,080,000) and Marcus Banks ($4,847,586) allow for a little more hope, but not much. Of the many types of players the Raptors have traded during their 15-year history – the sulking star, the over-the-hill pint-sized point man, the overpaid benchwarmer – the expiring contract has not typically been one of them.

    A long line of talented expiring Raptors, from Donyell Marshall to Mike James to Morris Peterson, each could have fetched something of note in a trade. Naturally, the Raptors let all of them walk without receiving anything in return... not even, say, a low first-round pick.
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    I think history will show that Colangelo has a better track record in using draft picks than trading them. He has one of the better resumes in the league for drafting talent. Off the top of my head Amare, Matrix, Nash and Stephen Jackson all come to mind.
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    I think history will show that Colangelo has a better track record in using draft picks than trading them. He has one of the better resumes in the league for drafting talent. Off the top of my head Amare, Matrix, Nash and Stephen Jackson all come to mind.
    Still you have to account the fantastic help BC had in Phoenix, with the scouts and obviously his father. Again i am not discrediting BC's drafting ability, but I am a bit wary to to compare his Sun's draft history to his Raptors draft history. To tell the truth I am actually more scared that BC will try to trade this pick instead of messing it up.

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    I have always said we need to keep our picks
    its ridiculous to keep trading them
    thats why i hope if bosh leaves he goes to Miami so we get our conditional pick back
    Turk happens when you have no picks
    J.O happens when you have no picks
    Ford happens when you have no picks
    Bosh happens when you have your pick

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    Quote INFO wrote: View Post
    I have always said we need to keep our picks
    its ridiculous to keep trading them
    thats why i hope if bosh leaves he goes to Miami so we get our conditional pick back
    Turk happens when you have no picks
    J.O happens when you have no picks
    Ford happens when you have no picks
    Bosh happens when you have your pick
    What's ridiculous is that so many fans think that Colangelo has traded away all the Raptor picks. Including this season, do you know how many of the drafts the Raptors have missed in the last four years due to Colangelo trading the pick? ONE! That's it.

    And draft picks are not a magic tonic that saves franchises. Even the best `drafters' are only right some of the time. And sometimes trading a pick away ends up being better than keeping it.

    And for the record, the Raptors HAD draft picks the summer's the got TJ Ford and TUrkoglu, so how exactly does you theory make any sense whatsoever?

    Personally, I think they should keep this pick because a 13th pick isn't all that valuable and because there should be a number of half decent big man prospects available at that spot and they need a backup plan in case Bosh and/or Amir leave. Anyone who thinks they will make any kind of immediate impact, however, needs a reality check. If this year's draft pick plays significant minutes next season, then, most likely, Bosh has left and the team is headed for the lottery again.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Below is a clip from an article written by Matthew Gordon over at RealGM.com. The article is quite large, touches on various topics. CLICK HERE to read it in its entirety:

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    I think history will show that Colangelo has a better track record in using draft picks than trading them. He has one of the better resumes in the league for drafting talent. Off the top of my head Amare, Matrix, Nash and Stephen Jackson all come to mind.
    I really think that "better Resumes" and Phoenix esperience is over leveraged at this stage. Maybe it is best to look at his tenure with the Raptors and judge him on what he selected/drafted here as opposed to his previous experience.

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    Quote thomas1 wrote: View Post
    I really think that "better Resumes" and Phoenix esperience is over leveraged at this stage. Maybe it is best to look at his tenure with the Raptors and judge him on what he selected/drafted here as opposed to his previous experience.
    Just my opinion but I think that Raptors fans will be raving about DeRozan before his rookie contract is up. We shall see.

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    Quote TIm W. wrote: View Post
    What's ridiculous is that so many fans think that Colangelo has traded away all the Raptor picks. Including this season, do you know how many of the drafts the Raptors have missed in the last four years due to Colangelo trading the pick? ONE! That's it.

    And draft picks are not a magic tonic that saves franchises. Even the best `drafters' are only right some of the time. And sometimes trading a pick away ends up being better than keeping it.

    And for the record, the Raptors HAD draft picks the summer's the got TJ Ford and TUrkoglu, so how exactly does you theory make any sense whatsoever?

    Personally, I think they should keep this pick because a 13th pick isn't all that valuable and because there should be a number of half decent big man prospects available at that spot and they need a backup plan in case Bosh and/or Amir leave. Anyone who thinks they will make any kind of immediate impact, however, needs a reality check. If this year's draft pick plays significant minutes next season, then, most likely, Bosh has left and the team is headed for the lottery again.
    they should keep the pick and draft the best player available.

    like miami thye could have picked bosh, melo or wade. wade was the oldest but the best. they drafted wade.

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    they should keep the pick and draft the best player available.

    like miami thye could have picked bosh, melo or wade. wade was the oldest but the best. they drafted wade.
    It seems to me that that is usually a good rule to follow when drafting; i.e. take the best player available and then worry about how he will fit later.

    The only exception I would say to this general rule is when there are two players available of comparable talent and upside then it would make sense to draft for need.

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