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Thread: Starters: Jack and Calderon

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    So, now that the season is over, we can look at the stats and say: who worked better with the starting unit: Jack or Calderon?

    And the answer is: Calderon by a mile.

    Calderon played 334.8 minutes with Derozan, Turkogulu, Bargnani and Bosh. In that time, the unit was outscored by 8, with an offensive rating of 114 and a defensive rating of 114.

    Jack played 369.7 minutes with the same group of players. In that time the unit was outscored by 99 points, with an offensive rating of 102 and a defensive rating of 115.

    Meaning that basically, the starting unit with Jack was NOT better defensively (slightly worse, actually), but it was much, much, much worse offensively. Which if anyone thinks back to some of our terrible first quarters with Jack leading the offense, should not be too surprising.

    Of course, people like how Jack drives to the hoop, so I doubt that this will convince anyone, but there it is.

    Figures from www.82games.com

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    Nice find

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    You've ignored net free throw attempts.

    The Jose lead unit had a net FTA of -26 while the Jack lead unit had a net FTA of +17. So while the defensive rating gives a slight advantage to Jose, the side effect is having people in foul trouble.

    On the offense side of things, I don't think it's any question that Jose runs a better offense than Jack. Jose has better court vision and makes better decisions with the ball (I'm not basing that off numbers, just what I remember). In fact, the Calderon lead unit tended to shoot from close range more often than the Jack lead unit, despite Jack's tendency to drive.

    Anyway, the real problem with comparing these numbers now is because we don't know what would happen if the PGs were regulated to Jameer Nelson duty while Turk handled the rock. This sounds like it will be the case next season.

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    Yes, the Jack unit had an advantage in FTA. But that hardly makes up for being outscored by almost 13 points per 48 minutes. I mean, that's 8 games worth of double digit losses that unit played together.

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    Guys, you're missing a key stat here, the stat of all stats. What is each PG's win/loss record while starting? That should be your starting point and then branch out to make a decision.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Guys, you're missing a key stat here, the stat of all stats. What is each PG's win/loss record while starting? That should be your starting point and then branch out to make a decision.
    exactly and who has better chemistry.

    which i think it's jack by a landslide.

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    Chemistry is no doubt important but I am focusing on the stats here because that seems to be the theme... I'm not sure if either of them regresses the chemistry of the team... That was Hedo's role.

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    If by 'chemistry' you mean 'getting consistently outscored by a huge margin', then yes, Jack has better chemistry with the starters. By a landslide.

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