Everything Jakob Poeltl

[Barolt]

Are those putbacks as the roll-man exclusively?

No, that's all plays that are listed under 'putback' for the season.

[golden]

In theory though, balancing the ratios should, even if it results in a slight reduction in efficiency for the big men(although this is no guarantee because of how bad Scola is compared to our other bigs, and he's gone), should also add more ambiguity for the defense and make the attacks from our ball handlers more efficient.

Problem is that Lowry is primarily in attack mode and just isn't that good at feeding the rolling big. It's a touch skill requiring timing and chemistry. Lowry is more of a bulldog with blinders on PG, not a 'probing' type PG like Jose Calderon. However, when Lowry does feed the big man, often times it's an unexpected high lob pass which needs an athletic guy like Bebe or Biz who can convert bad passes above the rim, as JV just isn't explosive enough. As long as Lowry has the keys to offense, you aren't going to see more passes to the rolling big. Casey already tried to turn Lowry into Jose and that failed miserably.

Similar problem with Demar, who has developed his game in the mold of Kobe: first option is to score + get fouled, second option is to score on a contested shot, third option is to get to the line, forth option is to pass it back to Lowry.

Why CoJo can't be told/trained to do it more, I don't know. And why Delon Wright isn't doing more PnR with Jakob in summer league, who knows.

[SkywalkerAC]

No, that's all plays that are listed under 'putback' for the season.

So it's hard to factor in the total point we generate from our ball handler.

[Barolt]

So it's hard to factor in the total point we generate from our ball handler.

But that's part of the picture, and I don't think it's fair to credit putbacks to the ball handler. A putback is a big man saving a blown play.

[SkywalkerAC]

But that's part of the picture, and I don't think it's fair to credit putbacks to the ball handler. A putback is a big man saving a blown play.

I'd argue it's pretty clearly part of the strategy - turn the corner aggressively and get to the rack, the roll-man will be trailing for the oop/pass-back or putback. Furthermore it's been effectiveness has been demonstrated as reflected by our Ortg, and wins.

This is not some new thing. Casey prefers to get to the shot/free throw line and to let his bigs clean up on the glass.

[Barolt]

I'd argue it's pretty clearly part of the strategy - turn the corner aggressively and get to the rack, the roll-man will be trailing for the oop/pass-back or putback. Furthermore it's been effectiveness has been demonstrated as reflected by our Ortg, and wins.

This is not some new thing. Casey prefers to get to the shot/free throw line and to let his bigs clean up on the glass.

Is it though?

We were the 18th ranked team in the league in putback frequency, and 29th in efficiency, so if that's a major part of our offensive strategy, it's not a very good one.

[Chr1s1anL]

I'd argue it's pretty clearly part of the strategy - turn the corner aggressively and get to the rack, the roll-man will be trailing for the oop/pass-back or putback. Furthermore it's been effectiveness has been demonstrated as reflected by our Ortg, and wins.

This is not some new thing. Casey prefers to get to the shot/free throw line and to let his bigs clean up on the glass.

I remember making this point and getting killed. Makes sense, explains why Raps go for bigs that are good screen setters and offensive rebounder.

[Barolt]

I remember making this point and getting killed. Makes sense, explains why Raps go for bigs that are good screen setters and offensive rebounder.

Except... we were terrible as a team in terms of putbacks,(18th in frequency, 29th in efficiency) and not terribly good off screen(5th in frequency, 24th in efficiency).

We were great at being parts of the PnR, except 26th in frequency of going to the roll man.

[Chr1s1anL]

Except... we were terrible as a team in terms of putbacks,(18th in frequency, 29th in efficiency) and not terribly good off screen(5th in frequency, 24th in efficiency).

We were great at being parts of the PnR, except 26th in frequency of going to the roll man.

Wouldn't the fact that are guards are pretty effective as scorers in the PnR situation effect that stat? Its hard to get put back when the ball is going in the basket.

[Barolt]

Wouldn't the fact that are guards are pretty effective as scorers in the PnR situation effect that stat? Its hard to get put back when the ball is going in the basket.

Not sure what you're saying. We averaged 0.90 PPP as the ball handler in the PnR. While that's better than a lot of other teams, it's still not terribly efficient. It's a eFG% of 46.3%, so there's still plenty of missing happening there.

[Chr1s1anL]

Not sure what you're saying. We averaged 0.90 PPP as the ball handler in the PnR. While that's better than a lot of other teams, it's still not terribly efficient. It's a eFG% of 46.3%, so there's still plenty of missing happening there.

Are offensive rating is still pretty good though. Its obviously working.

[SkywalkerAC]

Except... we were terrible as a team in terms of putbacks,(18th in frequency, 29th in efficiency) and not terribly good off screen(5th in frequency, 24th in efficiency).

We were great at being parts of the PnR, except 26th in frequency of going to the roll man.

what does "off screen" mean? We have the 5th highest frequency of putback off of screen and roll action?

[Barolt]

Are offensive rating is still pretty good though. Its obviously working.

Sure, but again, "other teams are worse" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of our offense.

The reality is, Lowry propped up a lot of our offense, which suffered when he was off the floor.(102.9 ORtg with him off the floor, would be bottom half of the league) 2Pat was a really great glue player, helped our offense a lot.(104.1 ORtg, would've been 12th in the league)

Those guys propped up our offense to a large extent, and JV's incredible efficiency helped too. Any time you look at any stats for last season for the Raptors, two names will repeatedly come up, Lowry and Patterson, and those guys made a lot of what we do work.

[Barolt]

what does "off screen" mean? We have the 5th highest frequency of putback off of screen and roll action?

Off screen means a play generated on off-ball screens. Nothing to do with putbacks, I was responding to Christian's point about our great screeners.

[SkywalkerAC]

Off screen means a play generated on off-ball screens. Nothing to do with putbacks, I was responding to Christian's point about our great screeners.

Ah. It might be interesting to look at our frequency of putbacks a as a function of our frequency of ballhandler screen usage.