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  • van Vleet is a decent player with a 4 year track record in the NCAA's. It's not a bad signing. It doesn't fit a need. That bothers me a little. He's destined to be end of the bench with brief runs for the 905.

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    • http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...anVleet-58750/

      Smart, tough, unselfish and plays in control.

      Limited athleticism, height and length.
      If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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      • My bet is on Delon being moved in a bigger package to bring something. May be the Noel deal is going through?

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        • blackjitsu wrote: View Post
          van Vleet is a decent player with a 4 year track record in the NCAA's. It's not a bad signing. It doesn't fit a need. That bothers me a little. He's destined to be end of the bench with brief runs for the 905.
          It's prob just a move to get him to the 905, raps did the same thing with Ronald Roberts last year. During the offseason teams can go over the 15 player limit just have to cut it down before the season. I think we can see a couple more signings with inviations to training camp.

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          • As Blake mentions on the front page, van Vleet's deal is a partially guaranteed deal. They're created to try to ensure that players they like will come to the Raptors training camp and potentially play for the 905ers. Think Axel Toupane and Robert's last year ' they signed similar partially guaranteed deals.

            FvV's signing should have no implications on the guard situation for the Raptors

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            • Van Vleet is just an offseason move. We had quite a bit of guys at last years camp.

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              • Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                • Yeah, Van Vleet is a training camp invite who will almost certainly get waived and be an assigned D-League player (if he chooses to play in the D-League) for the 905. Unless a trade shakes up the roster this summer. Based on last summer, he'll have 25k to 75k guaranteed.

                  Bruno definitely had a rough game defensively, seemed like his head wasn't in it for the first three Q's. Stepped up in the 4th on both ends, which was nice. Still needs work on defensive positioning, but his raw length just makes stuff happen out there defensively.
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                  • Why would Van Vleet's deal be a multi year if it was a player they were gonna waive? Pretty sure Toupane, Roberts, Scott and Kyser were all 1 year deals.

                    If anything I'm thinking Masai has something he might pull the trigger on. Worst case if we have to deal a guard we have this one already signed for multiple years. And if the deal doesn't happen or they decide they wanna go with someone else, they can waive him.

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                    • Bonus Jonas wrote: View Post
                      Why would Van Vleet's deal be a multi year if it was a player they were gonna waive? Pretty sure Toupane, Roberts, Scott and Kyser were all 1 year deals.

                      If anything I'm thinking Masai has something he might pull the trigger on. Worst case if we have to deal a guard we have this one already signed for multiple years. And if the deal doesn't happen or they decide they wanna go with someone else, they can waive him.
                      Multi-year partially guaranteed deals are common this time of year in the NBA - usually the first year is fully guaranteed (and counts against the cap), and later years are not.

                      For example, if van Vleet is waived at the end of training camp and plays for the 905'ers, he's still going to get paid that guaranteed money. If he shows enough promise and potential, he may be signed to a NBA deal (10-day or season) by the Raptors or another team (which happened to Toupane and Smith this year). If he doesn't latch on after a season with the 905'ers, but has shown some growth and promise, the Raptors may offer to make the second year guaranteed, to again entice Fred to return to training camp with them for 2017.

                      Good discussion of the ramifications in the article below

                      http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2015/...onald-roberts/

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                      • Bonus Jonas wrote: View Post
                        Why would Van Vleet's deal be a multi year if it was a player they were gonna waive? Pretty sure Toupane, Roberts, Scott and Kyser were all 1 year deals.

                        If anything I'm thinking Masai has something he might pull the trigger on. Worst case if we have to deal a guard we have this one already signed for multiple years. And if the deal doesn't happen or they decide they wanna go with someone else, they can waive him.
                        Roberts got a multi-year contract. It's not a rare occurrence at all for training camp invites to get multiple year deals. Guys you are high on get multi-year deals, and usually a higher guarantee to get them to sign a longer deal, just on the off chance that they somehow make the roster and impress, due to trades that change the roster or other extenuating circumstances.
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                        • Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                          • FWIW, Kevin Pelton does statistical projections for draft prospects and the #1 projection belongs to Fred vanVleet

                            Despite the stereotype that statistical projections hurt experienced prospects, it's VanVleet and not any of the promising freshmen who comes out best by WARP. He ranks in the top 25 percent of NBA-bound point guards in six categories: free throw rate, rebounding, assists, steals, turnover rate and avoiding fouls. Yet there's only one number that seems to matter to NBA scouts when it comes to VanVleet: his 5-foot-11 height. That's why Ford doesn't even have him being taken if everyone ahead of him were to enter the draft.
                            In a follow up article

                            VanVleet's terrific statistical projection -- best among NCAA prospects -- is a surprising result from this year's model. He has a rare combination of playmaking ability and sure-handedness. VanVleet's projected 4.09 assist-to-turnover ratio is the best of any player in my college database, which was previously topped by 2013 second-round pick Nate Wolters, at 3.45. That probably won't make VanVleet an NBA star, but it gives him a good chance to become a reliable backup.
                            If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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                            • Only one Raptor with a grade from Pelton last night, plus one more player of interest.

                              Norman Powell, Toronto Raptors: A-minus

                              Monday wasn't Powell's most efficient day, as he shot 7-of-15 from the field, but he still piled up 23 points and helped the Raptors put away the Dallas Mavericks with a pair of late 3-pointers.

                              With Kris Dunn sitting out Monday's game, Powell appears to be battling Russell as the early leader for NBA Summer League MVP -- pending Devin Booker's third game on Tuesday.
                              Jamal Murray, Denver Nuggets: A-minus

                              With Emmanuel Mudiay's summer league likely over, the Nuggets have put the ball in Murray's hands and turned him loose to run pick-and-rolls. He showed plenty of skill in that role, alternately getting to the basket and pulling up when defenders went too far under to the pick while occasionally finding teammates around the rim.

                              Murray is definitely more of a scorer than a playmaker at this stage of his career, but that's OK if he's going to score 29 points. And despite concerns about his lateral quickness, Murray held his own in a tough matchup against the quicksilver Briante Weber.
                              If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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                              • Still think we should have traded with pelicans to get murray.

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