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    Bradley would be great, especially if we want to try Turk at point Forward (I think PHD Steve mentioned that in the article). More importantly, I think we have to pick a guy who helps us defensively. We have had probably the worst starting point guard in the league (defensively) for years in Jose and I for one would personally love to see us pick a point guard who plays defense first and foremost. If he is terrible on offense, well fine who cares, put him on with Bellineli and see what happens. Plus, it's easier to learn to score than to learn to defend. Very fond of this pick.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    The more I read, the less and less excited I am about the 13th pick. There's really not much I'm liking down there. Bradley is a great defensive player who does not appear to have any PG skills whatsoever, and apparently doesn't create much off the dribble. He's mostly a jumpshooter, which is nice, but not exactly what the Raptors need. I think Bradley as good as anyone in that spot, but I don't think there's anyone you're going to regret taking down there.
    Sounds like a younger version of Kyle Weaver who now sits on the bench for the Thunder, but then the Thunder are a really good team

    Being younger maybe Bradley can take his offense to a higher level than Weaver has.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    The more I read, the less and less excited I am about the 13th pick. There's really not much I'm liking down there. Bradley is a great defensive player who does not appear to have any PG skills whatsoever, and apparently doesn't create much off the dribble. He's mostly a jumpshooter, which is nice, but not exactly what the Raptors need. I think Bradley as good as anyone in that spot, but I don't think there's anyone you're going to regret taking down there.

    A defensive minded jumpshooting PG would be a nice fit on the Raps. I still have faith that we haven't seen the real Turk. Let him create off the dribble and feed other guys. Bradley would be able to keep opposing guards honest, helping fill a defensive hole we've had for years. A solid potential pick at 13.

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    Bradley shot 55% from the free throw line and had an A/T ratio of 1.4 both pretty pathetic for a guard who you expect to be handling the ball.

    On top that he shot only 43% from the field including 38% on threes which is about equivalent to 30% or less on NBA three because of the longer distance to the arc in NBA. My guess is that Bradley makes most of his field goals on dunks and layups.

    I think that the guy has a big time problem with his shooting mechanics. Maybe Reggie could help him with it if the Raptors do draft Bradley

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    finding a good ast/TO ratio amongst college players is pretty rare though, as the game is so different (way more pressing, trapping, and zone... not to mention way more physical). john walls ratio was only slightly higher (1.625) and evan turners was slightly worse (1.36). i don't put a lot of stock in that number for him because he wasn't a point guard in college (just like westbrook had collison).

    anyhow, draft express has a nicle little writeup on him today. apparently he fixed whatever problem he has with "shooting mechanics" in vegas:

    Quite possibly the most impressive player in attendance here, Avery Bradley put on an outstanding shooting display in both drills and scrimmages, showing off his picture perfect form while many times making those in attendance wonder if he can miss a shot. In drills, Bradley looked very smooth pulling up off a confident dribble, knocking down a variety of shots, while also showing off his excellent athleticism in transition, putting his 37.5 inch vertical leap to good use.

    Where Bradley really impressed though was the scrimmages, where his team rarely lost and he made great use of the floorís spacing, getting to open spots of the floor with ease, showing no troubles getting separation from his man. With his excellent body control, balance, and elevation, Bradley just needs a glimmer of space to get his shot off, and he showed that especially playing the pick-and-roll game. Bradley hit a variety of pull-up jumpers from the mid-range and from behind the arc, many with a hand in his face, which didnít seem to do much. He incorporated in some hesitation dribbles and fakes to get separation when his first move didnít work, but mostly didnít need it, just being so proficient out of simple pick-and-rolls.
    source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...sketball-3468/

    to be fair they do mention him not being too impressive at finding teammates or finishing at the rim.

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    The problem with comparing Bradley to Russell Westbrook is that Westbrook does two things that Bradley doesn't. Westbrook attacks the rim relentlessly, Bradley's a floater and likes to shoot from outside. The other thing is that Westbrook did look like he could play PG because he did some and is a selfless player on the offensive end. He wasn't a great passer, but he didn't have a scorers mentality. Bradley does and that's really, REALLY difficult to change. They tried to change Ben Gordon into a PG and realized very quickly that it wont't work. Now keep in mind I'm going a lot on the scouting reports, because I haven't seen a lot of Bradley, but from what I've read, he's going to have a much tougher transition to PG than Westbrook. Chauncey Billups took YEARS and bounced around from team to team, and he had more PG abilities than Bradley does.

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    yeah point well taken, i did call him upthread "less offensively inclined" than westbrook, by which i meant unpolished creator. anyhow if he can play ball-hawking defence and hit jumpers reliably while we have hedo create in the half-court i think he could fit in nicely.

    i'm talking myself into him a little more every day

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    yeah point well taken, i did call him upthread "less offensively inclined" than westbrook, by which i meant unpolished creator. anyhow if he can play ball-hawking defence and hit jumpers reliably while we have hedo create in the half-court i think he could fit in nicely.

    i'm talking myself into him a little more every day
    I also like what hateslosing mentioned, about pairing him with Belinelli. Belinelli can do the creating for teammates instead of Bradley. Still it's an incredibly risky move to draft him at 13. People keep referring to him as a PG, which he is not. He's a guard, at this point, but one that would defend other PGs.

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    Does everybody remember how sweet we felt about Demar Derozan last year?
    Ya, and he looks like he could still become a very, very good player. I find it hard to believe that people are judging DeRozan, already.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I also like what hateslosing mentioned, about pairing him with Belinelli. Belinelli can do the creating for teammates instead of Bradley. Still it's an incredibly risky move to draft him at 13. People keep referring to him as a PG, which he is not. He's a guard, at this point, but one that would defend other PGs.
    but belinelli's already been included in that deal for tayshaun.

    also who in the hell is writing off DD after one season?! he's only 20, and he's one of the only players on our team i'm excited about

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    The more I read, the less and less excited I am about the 13th pick. There's really not much I'm liking down there. Bradley is a great defensive player who does not appear to have any PG skills whatsoever, and apparently doesn't create much off the dribble. He's mostly a jumpshooter, which is nice, but not exactly what the Raptors need. I think Bradley as good as anyone in that spot, but I don't think there's anyone you're going to regret taking down there.
    theres always stuff to be excited about no matter what pick you have.
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    theres always stuff to be excited about no matter what pick you have.
    Wait 15-20 years. Then tell me that again.

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    Default Avery Bradley

    I'm starting to have a good feeling about this kid with the 13th pick, not much of a passer but teamed with Turk could be useful.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Avery-Bradley-5285/

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    Perhaps the next Russell Westbrook? Certainly wouldn't mind picking this kid and trading one of either Jose or Jarrett for a wing. Kids got something we seriously lack, defense.
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    lanky, quick, plays D

    its almost too good to be true
    heres hoping we're not hyping him up too much

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    lanky, quick, plays D

    its almost too good to be true
    heres hoping we're not hyping him up too much
    Lanky, quick, plays D, doesn't drive to the basket, doesn't play PG, is only 6'2. Let's make sure we say the bad with the good.

    I have been looking back at the Russell Westbrook scouting reports and there are a lot of similarities. I was a big, big fan of Westbrook coming out, but I wasn't sure he would be a PG. He played off guard at UCLA and his passing and decision making was questioned. I didn't remember just how much. Westbrook, however, did play some PG at UCLA, something Bradley didn't really do at Texas.

    Both Westbrook and Bradley were undersized 2's who played lockdown defense, scored and were very athletic. Westbrook was much more of an attacker than Bradley, though, but Bradley is a much better shooter, so that could be the difference.

    Draftexpress.com recently wrote this about Bradley's recent workout, which does worry me some:

    Bradley was able to dominate constantly looking for his shot out of pick-and-rolls, but he didn’t really excel finding his teammates, something that wasn’t problematic here but did lead to some troubles at Texas this past season, as he’s prone to showing tunnel vision looking for his own shot. While it’s tough to take much concrete from these scrimmages, nothing we saw here suggested Bradley is yet ready to be a full-time point guard in the NBA, in line with what we saw from him all season.
    Bradley needs to show that he can pass the ball, because the difference between him getting drafted in the middle of the first round and late in the first round is going to be his ability to play PG. If teams feel he can't, there's no point in drafting him so high. Someone like Billups, who was also similar to Bradley coming out of Colorado, took four years (and 4 different teams) to make the switch to PG, and it was a full 9 (!!) years before he was able to average at least 6 assists per game.

    I don't think people appreciate just how difficult it is to turn someone into a PG. Westbrook is the exception. The vast majority fail to make the transition.

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    Tim, assuming we can't move Turkoglu, then Bradley would be a perfect fit for the Raptors. He can have tunnel vision all he wants because when Turk passes him the ball, he's expecting him to score. Leave the point responsibilities to Turk because that's what we're paying him for, and pay Bradley to be a PG-defender/scorer. A back-court of Bradley+Weems is perfect for a team centred around Hedo.

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    Tim, assuming we can't move Turkoglu, then Bradley would be a perfect fit for the Raptors. He can have tunnel vision all he wants because when Turk passes him the ball, he's expecting him to score. Leave the point responsibilities to Turk because that's what we're paying him for, and pay Bradley to be a PG-defender/scorer. A back-court of Bradley+Weems is perfect for a team centred around Hedo.
    I think moving Turkoglu this summer will be extremely difficult, but I question the logic of drafting a 19 year old in order to compliment a 31 year old who may not even be in the starting lineup in a couple of years.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I think moving Turkoglu this summer will be extremely difficult, but I question the logic of drafting a 19 year old in order to compliment a 31 year old who may not even be in the starting lineup in a couple of years.
    I think the idea though would be that Bradley wouldn't have to take over a full-fledged point guard right away. As you said, that transition isn't easy (although it has become more en vogue in recent years), and just like you, I wouldn't be comfortable handing the keys to the offense to a kid who played 2 in college. Let him play off the ball on offense and utilize his abilities as a slasher and shooter while he gets used to the NBA game, and have him D up opposing point guards. Let Turk handle the majority of ball handling for this year and next, and then by the time he's out of the starting lineup, hopefully Bradley will have developed the savvy to play more of a pure point role.

    Then again, that means we're handing the keys to a guy who was shit last year and acted like he couldn't care less. So the whole thing could be a very quick experiment if Hedo doesn't get it together, which would force Bradley into that pure point role too early.

    We'll see what happens over the next month or so, but as things stand right now, I wouldn't be mad at Bradley being the pick at 13. I think we might be getting a little ambitious thinking about him in the starting lineup right away though. He's going to get picked lower than DeRozan, and like DeRozan, he's a one and done guy who is going to need some work. DeRozan was certainly nothing to write home about as a starter last year, so I think we may need to ease up on the expectations of immediate contributions from a 19 year old drafted at 13. It would be nice, but don't count on it.

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