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    Default Avery Bradley Point Guard Stats

    I decided to take a look at some key Point Guard stats for Bradley and compare them to the eight Point Guards drafted last season and the seven Point Guards that are considered a first or second round pick this season by Draft Express.

    I culled for each player the following stats from 2009 for those Point Guards drafted in 2009 and from 2010 for those Point Guards listed in the Draft Express 2010 mock draft. In other words I took their college stats from the last year that they played in college.

    1. Field Goals Attempted per game
    2. Free Throws Attempted per game
    3. Assists per game
    4. Turnovers per game

    From these numbers I computed the following ratios

    5. Assists to Field Goals Attempted per game
    6. Free Throws Attempted to Field Goals Attempted per game
    7. Assists To Turnover Ratio

    I then computed the average of the 15 players and where each player ranked in the seven categories listed above.


    The Players that I looked at were

    Player
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    A. Bradley
    Armon Johnson
    D. Collison
    E. Bledso
    E. Maynor
    J. Flynn
    J. Holiday
    J. Randle
    J. Teague
    J. Wall
    M. Torrance
    S. Collins
    T. Douglas
    T. Lawson
    T.Evans

    These are the average numbers for each of the seven stats culled and computed.

    1. Field Goals Attempted per game - 11.7
    2. Free Throws Attempted per game - 4.8
    3. Assists per game - 4.6
    4. Turnovers per game - 2.9
    5. Assists to Field Goals Attempted per game - 39%
    6. Free Throws Attempted to Field Goals Attempted per game - 41%
    7. Assists To Turnover Ratio - 1.61

    These are the Bradley's numbers for each of the seven stats culled and computed.

    1. Field Goals Attempted per game - 10.8
    2. Free Throws Attempted per game - 1.9
    3. Assists per game - 2.1
    4. Turnovers per game - 1.5
    5. Assists to Field Goals Attempted per game - 19%
    6. Free Throws Attempted to Field Goals Attempted per game - 18%
    7. Assists To Turnover Ratio - 1.4

    This is where Bradley ranked among the 15 Point Guards for each of the seven stats culled and computed.

    1. Field Goals Attempted per game - 10
    2. Free Throws Attempted per game - 14
    3. Assists per game - 15
    4. Turnovers per game - 1 (See Turnover Ratio)
    5. Assists to Field Goals Attempted per game - 14
    6. Free Throws Attempted to Field Goals Attempted per game - 15
    7. Assists To Turnover Ratio - 10

    Summary
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    Bradley ranked either 14th or 15th in four of the seven stats
    He ranked 10th in two others
    He ranked 1st; i.e. lowest in Turnovers

    His average rank excluding Turnovers (see comment below) was 13 which was 15th among the 15 Point Guards.

    Turnovers for a PG are best measured by looking at total assists per game, Assists to Field Goals Attempts per game and turnover ratio for a player.

    A good true PG will have a high number of assists per game, a high ratio of Assists To Field Goal Attempts per game and a high Assists to Turnover Ratio.

    In Bradley's case he had a low number of Turnovers per game but he also ranked 15th in Assists per game, 14th in Assists to Field Goals Attempted per game and 10th in Assists to Turnover Ratio.

    What this means is that at least at Texas Bradley did not exhibit the qualities that one would want in a Point Guard. He exhibited a shoot first mentality. When he did shoot he very rarely was able to get to the free throw line and ranked dead last 15th in Free Throws Attempts per Field Goals Attempts.

    As I have noted elsewhere Bradley's Free Throw percentage was an abysmal 55% about what Rondo's was in his last year at KY.

    According to Draft Express
    Another issues revolves around his inability to get high efficiency possessions around the basket in general. He’s scoring an incredibly poor 0.75 points per shot on shots around the basket according to Synergy, and in watching his game, it’s easy to see why. Bradley is often out of control on his drives to the basket and very rarely puts in much effort to create high percentage looks, rather trying to get close to the rim and then just throwing the ball in the general direction of it. On the bright side, Bradley does show an effective floater when he’s intently looking for it, and many of his problems attacking the basket are related to a careless mentality as opposed to lack of ability, though he will certainly have some limitations projecting to the pros given his lack of size and strength.
    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Avery-Bradley-5285/

    Conclusion
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    Bradley's did not in his one year at Texas put up numbers that a consistent with those of a Point Guard. Was that because of what he was asked to do while on the court; i.e. play SG and not PG. Let us assume that that is the case. Listed below are the comparative numbers for Jrue Holiday. Holiday played one season at UCLA. He played the SG position next to D. Collison who was the Bruins PG. This season however Jrue Holiday played PG for the 76ers so let us look at his numbers and ranking at UCLA.

    1. Field Goals Attempted per game - 7.1
    2. Free Throws Attempted per game - 1.8
    3. Assists per game - 3.7
    4. Turnovers per game - 2.1
    5. Assists to Field Goals Attempted per game - 52%
    6. Free Throws Attempted to Field Goals Attempted per game - 25%
    7. Assists To Turnover Ratio - 1.8

    This is where Holiday ranked among the 15 Point Guards for each of the seven stats culled and computed.

    1. Field Goals Attempted per game - 15
    2. Free Throws Attempted per game - 15
    3. Assists per game - 11
    4. Turnovers per game - 3 (See Turnover Ratio)
    5. Assists to Field Goals Attempted per game - 4
    6. Free Throws Attempted to Field Goals Attempted per game - 14
    7. Assists To Turnover Ratio - 7

    Average ranking was 11 or 13th among the 15th.

    Listed below is Holiday's ranking this season as a rookie compared to the other 8 PG rookies listed above.

    1. Field Goals Attempted per game - 5
    2. Free Throws Attempted per game - 6
    3. Assists per game - 5
    4. Turnovers per game - 5 (See Turnover Ratio)
    5. Assists to Field Goals Attempted per game - 3
    6. Free Throws Attempted to Field Goals Attempted per game - 8
    7. Assists To Turnover Ratio - 7


    Holidays average rank in 2008-09 at UCLA excluding Turnovers was 11 which was 13th among the 15 Point Guards. Bradley was ranked 15th among the 15 Points Guards.

    Who was ranked 14th? Answer. Eric Bledso.


    Holiday like Bradley is considered a good defender so If you liked Jrue Holiday's game this season then you may wind up liking Avery Bradley's game in 2010-11 if he is asked to play PG.
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    Just want to say I'm impressed by this post. Looks like it took a bit of work.

    I like Holiday so this reinforces my liking of Bradley.
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    Impressive research. I'd like to see what the numbers for Russell Westbrook look like.

    I wasn't a fan of Holiday at all, and while he has impressed on the defensive end, the jury's still out on whether or not he can play PG in the NBA. If he can't, he's going to bounce around the league.

    I like Bradley's game a little more because he is a better scorer than Holiday. Holiday never seems to fit into any position at college, whereas Bradley at least play pretty well as a shooting guard.

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    The problem with letting Bradley play off the ball with the Raptors, is that he's not learning to play PG. Unless you immediately decide to make him a PG and allow him to play the position full time, you're killing ANY chance he has at making the transition. The few players who have made the transition started playing PG right from the start. Players who played both on and off the ball failed to make the transition. Playing PG is more a mentality, than anything, and the more you play off the ball, the more difficult it is to learn to run a team. Russell Westbrook was able to make the transition because the Thunder decided he was a PG, and made him play that position.

    You either have to hand him the ball and live with the growing pains, or don't draft him at all.

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    I think you need to compare him to (now)prominent PGs who were taken later in the draft based on potential. I mean no one said he was a beast right now, people are raving about his potential. Chances are if you're drafting mid to late in the draft you're not landing a guy who's going to hit the ground running.

    Looks like you did a lot of work on this Buddahfan, very impressive. Just wanted to make sure i pointed that out.

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    Why couldn't Bradley be handled like most mid to late round picks? Park him on the bench and let him enter the game in a reserve role, at his true position, when he's ready. One of Calderon or Jack is going to be shipped and so he could spell one of those guys in a limited role. I seriously think the Raptors would handle him like the 76ers handled Jrue Holiday.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I have been looking back at the Russell Westbrook scouting reports and there are a lot of similarities. I was a big, big fan of Westbrook coming out, but I wasn't sure he would be a PG. He played off guard at UCLA and his passing and decision making was questioned. I didn't remember just how much. Westbrook, however, did play some PG at UCLA, something Bradley didn't really do at Texas.
    Westbrook averaged 4.3 apg in his last season of two at UCLA. This compared to D. Collison's 3.8 apg the same season; i.e. 2007-08

    I watched just about every Bruins Pac10 and NCAA tournament game that season. Westbrook shared the PG responsibilities with Collison and he was a better PG than Collison.

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    Assuming that the Raptors don't trade any of their perimeter players and exercise their option on Weems whose minutes is Avery going to take, Wrights?

    According to 82games.com Wright played maybe 20% of his total of 1,400 minutes or about 280 minutes at PG. Those minutes will go to DeRozan.

    Unless the Raptors move a wing player in a trade I just don't see whose minutes Bradley will take.

    He isn't going to take any minutes from Calderon or Jack unless it is garbage time. He isn't going to play at SF. So that leaves the SG spot. Even if Weems plays all of his minutes at SF which I doubt because I think he will get more minutes than that and they will be at the SG then that leaves Belinelli's minutes.

    Okay maybe Bradley could take some of Belinelli's minutes which were about 1,100 most of which as I recall were at SG. However, again my guess is that DeRozan will also take some of Belinelli's minutes.

    DeRozan averaged 21 mpg this season. I see that increasing to around 25 to 30 mpg.

    So maybe Bradley would get 10mpg tops with a number of DNP/CDs filling in when guys are out with injuries or in garbage time.

    I still think the Raptors would be better off drafting a big who can contribute 15 mpg of solid defense and rebounding.

    Of course BC could draft Bradley and wheel and deal in a way that give the Raptors the bigs that they need and open up minutes for Bradley.

    Of course if Bosh and Johnson return and Johnson is able to increase his mpg to 25 or more as a bench big then the Raptors won't have the minutes available for a 4th big unless Bargnani, Bosh and/or Johnson get injured.
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Why couldn't Bradley be handled like most mid to late round picks? Park him on the bench and let him enter the game in a reserve role, at his true position, when he's ready. One of Calderon or Jack is going to be shipped and so he could spell one of those guys in a limited role. I seriously think the Raptors would handle him like the 76ers handled Jrue Holiday.
    I think that's definitely the best role for him, if the Raptors were to draft him. He's certainly not going to make an immediate impact, though. Holiday played 24 mpg, but that was on a team that was desperate for PG help. Bradley might get 15-20 mpg.

    And if he starts playing off the ball with Turkoglu, then it's going to be a LOOOONNNNGGGG development process.

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    I like the numbers analysis but I think that it's important to consider the situation that the player might have been in. That Texas team was an early pre-season favorite to be one of the top teams in the nation, mainly due to a recruiting class with him in it, however, that Longhorns team was not constructed well, had no cohesion and underperformed in conference play. They showed how much of a dissapointment they were with the loss to Wake in the tourney.

    Not making excuses for him but sometimes when a Freshman comes into a bad situation his numbers might reflect that situation.

    While he does have much to improve upon he's a 19 year old that was highly recruited due to his numerous abilities and while I don't think he'll ever have the consumate pg mentality, he can defend the perimeter, can shoot the rock (regardless of the FT %), and his ability to create his own shot is underrated. He's not a facilitator, but if you draft him you can't be expecting him to be that kind of player.

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    damn buddha you have a lot of time on your hands.

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    Excellent post Buddahfan. Lots of interesting information and statistics.

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    He isn't a PG, he is a combo guard. Asking him to run the point by himself would be stupid. Asking him to play alongside Hedo where Hedo initiates most of the offense would be smart.
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    Quote MattyG-Ray wrote: View Post
    He isn't a PG, he is a combo guard. Asking him to run the point by himself would be stupid. Asking him to play alongside Hedo where Hedo initiates most of the offense would be smart.
    If he stays a combo guard, he'll never be anything but a bench player in the NBA. Unless that is the future you want for him, he needs to play PG and not alongside Turkoglu. It all depends on what you want out of your 13th pick.

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    Default clippers's 2010 Mock Draft Has Bradley Going #12

    Click on link to see who they have the Raptors drafting

    http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_mock_drafts/20304/
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    Default ESPN Draft Rater: Avery Bradley is a "Dud"

    ESPN Insider came out with the result of the Draft Rater and ranked the best players in terms of "pro potential".

    The top 10 were: Cousins, Turner, Wall, Monroe, Favors, Henry, Babbitt, Aminu, Johnson.

    Avery Bradley was ranked #45 with a projected PER of 10.42 (Cousins was at 16.14) and Hollinger had this to say about him:

    A couple of highly touted guards, Avery Bradley and Willie Warren, also failed to impress. Bradley can at least take solace in his one-and-done status -- the error rate has been higher for those players. And as a defensive specialist, his PER might not matter much anyway.

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    I always wondered why Wall is ranked as a sure fire can't miss prospect while Cousins, who put up better numbers on the same squad is considered the malcontent with not as high a ceiling.

    Cousins is a beast with a nasty streak and if he stays in shape and is focused he will be a good pro.

    As for Bradley he didn't do a lot for the Longhorns last year so I see why he would be ranked as low as he his.

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    [QUOTE]from chad ford insiders:
    COMBINE RESULTS
    Name Ht. Ht. w/shoes Wt. Wingspan Standing Reach Body Fat %
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    Craig Brackins 6-8 ½ 6-9 ½ 226 6-11 ½ 9-0 8.4
    Dwayne Collins 6-6 ½ 6-8 230 7-4- 9-1 ½ N/A
    James Anderson 6-4 ½ 6-6 ½ 202 6-8 8-7 ½ N/A
    Stanley Robinson 6-7 6-8 ½ 213 7-0 8-11 10.1
    Devin Ebanks 6-8 6-9 ½ 206 6-9 8-10 9.7
    Lance Stephenson 6-4 ½ 6-6 227 6-10 ½ 8-6 ½ 9.4
    Manny Harris 6-3 ½ 6-5 177 6-8 8-4 7.4
    Avery Bradley 6-1 ½ 6-3 176 6-7 8-3 ½ 7.6

    COMBINE RESULTS
    Name Vertical (inches) Lane Agility (s) 3/4 Sprint (s) Bench Press (reps)
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    Craig Brackins 40 11.62 3.69 8
    Dwayne Collins 34 ½ 12.22 3.29 23
    James Anderson 34 ½ 11.62 3.21 15
    Stanley Robinson 38 ½ 12.36 3.15 10
    Devin Ebanks 35 11.97 3.53 6
    Lance Stephenson 35 ½ 11.67 3.28 N/A
    Manny Harris 36 ½ 12.02 3.22 10
    Avery Bradley 37 ½ 11.51 3.03 N/A

    Not much height and not much body fat at 7.6%. What does this guy eat? I need to get a hold of his diet.

    No bench press results. Did he even try?

    Seems like Bradley is short, quick, lean and weak.

    Talking point: How is Bradley going to defend against the post up move or fight through the pick on the pick and roll?

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    I never put much stock in the combine, but I love a good vertical leap.

    Imagine Bradley, Derozan, Weems, Amir and a begrudging Bargs all on the court together. So much athleticism and alley oops going down. With four guys all running hard and playing defense, Bargs sphere if influence would shrink and I feel he would become significantly more effective.

    I'm so ready to bury the Euro experiment and move into the run and gun era. Or maybe Turk is best suited to play this guys, none of them will be mistaken for a playmaker.

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Avery Bradley 6-1 ½ 6-3 176 6-7 8-3 ½ 7.6
    He is Only 6-1 1/2 ???!!! If this is the case, the plan of playing him as a shooting guard is pure suicide and I don't care how long is his reach and ...

    6-1 1/2 does not cut it in this league for shooting Guard.

    The more I am looking at this guy, the more disappointed I get and think that there must be better choice to pick at number 13 and this guy should be drafted at the end of the first round.

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