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    If this is true, this has the potential to be a PR disaster nightmare for the Raptor's organisation. Alot of what he says is damaging for a team that has trouble attracting free agents and now the biggest free agent acquisition they ever got basically poo poo'ed on the team and its fan base.

    I thought Hedo would suck it up and actually try to reedem himself but he just showed his hand of how big of a whiny loser he really is.

    Another great move eh Colangelo?!

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    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q62

    How do buy-outs affect a team's salary cap?

    The agreed-upon buy-out amount (see question number 61) is included in the team salary instead of the salary called for in the contract. If the player had more than one season left on his contract, then the buy-out money is distributed among those seasons in proportion to the original salary. For example, say a player had three seasons remaining on his contract, with salaries of $10 million, $11 million and $12 million. The player and team agree to a buyout of $15 million. The $15 million is therefore charged to the team salary over the three seasons. Since the original contract had $33 million left to be paid, and $10 million is 30.3% of $33 million, 30.3% of the $15 million buyout, or $4.545 million, is included in the team salary in the first season following the buyout. Likewise, 33.33% of $15 million, or $5 million, is included in the team salary in the second season, and 36.36% of $15 million, or $5.455 million, is included in the team salary in the third season.

    The distribution of the buy-out money is a matter of individual negotiation. Changing the number of years in which the money is paid does not change the number of years in which the team's team salary is charged. In the above example in which the player's contract is bought out with three seasons remaining, the buyout amount is always charged to the team salary over three seasons. It does not matter if the player is actually paid in a lump sum or over 20 years (a spread provision).

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    This has been the best news around these parts for quite a while, now the only thing we need to figure out is how we get rid of him.

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    I rather have Jose then Hedo even though Hedo can cause mismatch for other team....

    The only problem with Jose is even though he is very consistent in assist but his point production is up and down...... i know he is conservative but we need him to contribute the pt load .... he is basically the third option in scoring (due to Hedo...inconsistency in everything) along side with Bargnani and Bosh....

    Only if we have a super star like Wade or even Ray Allen we could do some damage............in the east. But its a pipe dream... we could only rely on DeRozen developing into *cough*Kobe*cough* or at least Gerald Wallace

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    I’m kind of bothered by this. Hedo did have a lousy year, few would argue, but ... maybe Colangelo mishandled this into the clusterf*ck that it seems to have become.

    He showed up to training camp feeling out of sorts, one way or another - and was probably ‘homesick’ for his wife on top of it if she wasn’t with him ... as opposed to how the Raptors brass made everyone believe - and Colangelo went ahead and gave his okay for him to sit out much of the training camp. So ... right from the get-go, it was messed up ... and most - fans, management and players - were rightly (or not) on edge about it all.

    Then, the team struggled with all the new faces ... and Turk being here with his reputation, newly polished from the previous playoff success (finals) had a bigger spotlight on him than most of the others and ... it was tough for him (I’m guessing) to really find his place on the floor, with this brand-new team, especially with the team being as ‘Bosh-centric’ as it was. It had to be a whole new ball-game for his talents and whatever it is that he offers.

    The thing that seems to be bothering him now, about being called out by EVERYbody for showing up at a bar while he was ‘supposedly sick’ ... well, which of us hasn’t done something similar? (I certainly have, for one reason or another, in one way or another.)

    I can see him feeling crapped on a bit by all that. Colangelo probably could’ve handled that little drama better than he did ... because once the fans saw that Colangelo was unhappy about it as well, it legitimized the fans’ outrage ... so, it made it ‘okay’ to vent. And they did. At him, directly.

    Had to feel crummy to be Hedo right then.

    The reason I’m bothered about this, is that with Bosh gone (?), I had an outside hope that Hedo would come into this next season ready to go and maybe help us make something out of whatever talent it is that we end up having out on the floor.

    His contract is bad, but that’s not his fault ... and his one year with the Raptors was bad, but that was only partially his fault. As far as I’m concerned, with Bosh playing dipsy-doodle about what he was gonna do at the end of the season ... and then after looking like we might have something going on (before the A.S. break), he came back from the All Star break looking almost... guilty (to my eyes -- meaning, he knew then that he was going at the end of the year) ... and really, the season was a write-off from that moment, on. There wasn’t much that Hedo could’ve done to save it.

    Maybe it’ll be better to let him go and save the contract money ... I dunno. But, if it happens like that, the organization will come out of it looking like shit.

    And that’s something we really don’t need, right now. At all.

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    The fact he wants to go, sure that could be good or bad news depending on which side of the fence you are on.

    Hedo making his statements public is absoulety disasterous news...

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    My thoughts are that a buyout makes no sense as his contract would still be highly detrimental to the Raptors salary cap for it's entirety. They need to trade him with Bosh. It should be a requirement of any S&T.

    EDIT: I've seen many unprofessional players roll through Toronto but Hedo is one that really caught me off guard. Never did I imagine a little over 11 months ago when he was acquired that he would be so volatile in the locker room, in the media and on the court. He truly made the least of all his opportunities in Toronto, with the exception of salary. I won't be sad to see him go and I will give him a strong boo anytime he steps back into the ACC, player or spectator, while I am fortunate enough to be present.
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    After reading that, if Hedo agrees to a pretty low buyout amount it wouldn't be too detrimental for the Raptor's cap space - paying money for nothing - like extending Marcus Banks' contract.

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    Quote Mess wrote: View Post
    After reading that, if Hedo agrees to a pretty low buyout amount it wouldn't be too detrimental for the Raptor's cap space - paying money for nothing - like extending Marcus Banks' contract.
    A low buy-out, say the $10 million I referenced (good luck with that but you never know), would look like this:

    2010-11 .. 2.23
    2011-12 .. 2.41
    2012-13 .. 2.59
    2013-14 .. 2.77

    Which isn't too bad at all when you think about it.

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    lets all hope Orlando would get him back.....

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    I'm happy as can be, but at the same time a little disappointed. I was so hoping that Hedo was going to be better than advertised prior to this season, but him moving on from Toronto is the best thing right now.

    All I can say is that the 2010-11 Toronto Raptors are going to look even more different than this past year. Doesn't really help team cohesiveness but can it really get any worse than now?

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    i dont think he can come back after this
    the guy has dug himself into a hole
    and it seems like he thinks he has to dig himself out

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    If this is the end of Turkoglu in Toronto than I doubt it'll end up being a VC part 2.

    What happened with VC was just horrible and a total mismanagement by Babcock.

    BC thankfully, although he appears to have had some difficulty with his player acquisitions over the past 2 seasons, has historically been a very shrewd and experienced GM.

    If anything happens with Turk I imagine it would be a trade. For everyone saying "Yeah but every team can play hardball because he made his position known and he had a terrible season", don't assume this is the be all end all. This attitude may work when no one has respect for a GM (IE. BABCOCK), but have no doubt that the majority of GMs and owners have a great deal of respect for BC - I don't believe for a second they would try to strong arm BC with these types of lame excuses. They know Turk had extenuating external problems (whatever they may be), and that last season was more an anomaly than an underlying fundamental character flaw.

    So yeah, I'm putting my money on a trade that will be good for both parties. Hope I'm right...

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    Quote INFO wrote: View Post
    the guy has dug himself into a hole
    Sorry, Any hole is better than A Black Hole.

    To escape there, He just needs:
    A- Be quicker than the Light itself, no matter what cost is.
    B- Waits till a black-hole explosion take place.

    He apparently has picked option A.

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    Default Call to Action - Give Hedo a 2nd Chance

    In the event BC doesn't trade him (for whatever reasons), Hedo will need all the support he can possibly get to rectify his relationship with the team and the fans. That said, I think it would be immensely beneficial for Hedo to have his wife and child to move here during the season.

    In the best interests of the fans, the city and the team, I don't want any of this "Hedo summer drama" to be used as an excuse next season by anyone (by Hedo, the team or the fans). This is why I'm going to judge Hedo solely on his on-court production next season - as nothing more than the professional basketball player he is.

    If Hedo is still a Toronto Raptor when training camp starts, I'm going to choose to forget everything in order to give him a clean slate, a fresh start, a 2nd chance. I hope all of you here and everyone else in the Republic do so too.
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    Turks is a damn douche bag. Even the way Vince bitched himself out of town looks better than the way The Big fart is doing.

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    At this point if Hedo isn't accepting a relatively low buy-out, it makes no sense to trade him. Luckily this is possible given the large amount of cap space people have, but Hedo's value isn't exactly as high as it was last season.

    In any case, I would welcome Hedo back to Toronto next season. And if he isn't professional about it and refuses to play, fine his ass for every refusal. That's my solution to the situation.

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    I think Hedo market value isn't as low around the league as it is in Toronto right now. You could argue he still has all his skills but there were chemistry issues with the coach and he wasn't being used to his full potential.

    Unfortunately that doesn't exactly make the Raptors look very attractive to future free agents.

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    Hedo proves once more that he is an idiot, trying to make up excuses for his bad behavior.
    It is hilarious how Hedo is trying to blame Raptors management for his poor decision: if Hedo was asked to go home and get rest, then he shouldn't go to bar even if Euros invited him. His excuse is that Euros invited him? Hedo deserved the fine and his excuse is so lame.
    However, regardless of what happen back there, to came out like this and publicly say that you won't return to Toronto after he was dogging for an entire year, is just so Hedo-ish. I was right about him, he is just a prick.

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    Quote Noc wrote: View Post
    If this is the end of Turkoglu in Toronto than I doubt it'll end up being a VC part 2.

    What happened with VC was just horrible and a total mismanagement by Babcock.

    BC thankfully, although he appears to have had some difficulty with his player acquisitions over the past 2 seasons, has historically been a very shrewd and experienced GM.
    It can't be a VC scenario. This is the off-season, not mid-season. Babcock pulled the trigger too soon but any manager who is placed in such a situation isn't going to come out of it looking like a genius. Could Colangelo have landed more if he was in the situation? Maybe but maybe he would have rolled the dice on some high risk deals that Babcock steered clear of. It's hard to say. I'm not so sure a GM is going to give Colangelo more than Babcock because he wears better suits and is more personable. As of right now, that's the only real thing the distinguishes him from Babcock. Babcock made a lot of mistakes while being dealt a bad hand. Colangelo has made a lot of mistake while being dealt a good hand.

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