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    Trading for Arenas is just digging a bigger hole for the Raptors to climb into.

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    Not sure how. Unless they let Bosh walk they're probably going to be capped for the next three or four seasons. If doctors say Arenas is 100% and there is little risk of re-injury then I don't know how it's digging a deeper hole. Especially if they're moving two bad contract in exchange for him.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Not sure how. Unless they let Bosh walk they're probably going to be capped for the next three or four seasons. If doctors say Arenas is 100% and there is little risk of re-injury then I don't know how it's digging a deeper hole. Especially if they're moving two bad contract in exchange for him.
    Two bad contracts are a lot easier to get rid of than one bigger one.

    And they'd be digging themselves into a deeper hole because Arenas could hinder the development of the younger player, which if Bosh leaves, is the most important thing. A team that is rebuilding shouldn't have a player like Arenas on it.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    If the guy turned down $16 million, then please explain to me why he still has $80 million left on his contract over the next 4 years?

    Doug Smith is a pretty good journalist, but I couldn't give a crap what he thinks. This is also the same guy who didn't think Amir Johnson was athletic. I've agreed with him just as much as I've disagreed with him. I'm also not Christian, so if he's the Jesus Christ of anything, it doesn't mean anything to me.

    Well His original contract was supposed to be six years at 127 million and he turned that down for 111 million instead. So he was still destined to make a shitload of money but I cant recall more than a handful of players who have ever turned down salary in any professional sport. So yea he is still owed a lot of money, but under Arenas's guidance the WIz agreed to pay him 2 mill less a season...just a testament to the fact hes not a douchebag like ppl paint him to be.

    I disagree with Doug Smith a lot too, but when you say you don't give a crap what he thinks, I'm a bit skeptical. The guy's been covering the raptors forever and has a ton of insight and connections that give him a more informed opinion than just about anyone on this blog. Not sayin that makes him right every single time, but having him agree with your opinion definetly doesn't hurt your arguement. And the Jesus thing was a sarcastic joke, I'm not actually religious nor do I think Doug is the second coming of Christ. Maybe if I used a non religious name and said Doug was the Chuck Norris of raptors coverage we could get down to the facts of this thread. That is Gilbert is risky, but not a dbag and a change of scenery could do him well. Also his contract is realistically not an overwhelming burden given that we could be on the hook for 3 more years of turk and his contract, plus arenas is 28 and way more likely to regain a near allstar form.
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    Quote Spilak wrote: View Post
    Well His original contract was supposed to be six years at 127 million and he turned that down for 111 million instead. So he was still destined to make a shitload of money but I cant recall more than a handful of players who have ever turned down salary in any professional sport. So yea he is still owed a lot of money, but under Arenas's guidance the WIz agreed to pay him 2 mill less a season...just a testament to the fact hes not a douchebag like ppl paint him to be.

    I disagree with Doug Smith a lot too, but when you say you don't give a crap what he thinks, I'm a bit skeptical. The guy's been covering the raptors forever and has a ton of insight and connections that give him a more informed opinion than just about anyone on this blog. Not sayin that makes him right every single time, but having him agree with your opinion definetly doesn't hurt your arguement. And the Jesus thing was a sarcastic joke, I'm not actually religious nor do I think Doug is the second coming of Christ. Maybe if I used a non religious name and said Doug was the Chuck Norris of raptors coverage we could get down to the facts of this thread. That is Gilbert is risky, but not a dbag and a change of scenery could do him well. Also his contract is realistically not an overwhelming burden given that we could be on the hook for 3 more years of turk and his contract, plus arenas is 28 and way more likely to regain a near allstar form.
    I never said he's a douchebag. I'm sure he's got very good qualities and can be a very nice guy. And I'm also sure he really wants to win. But he's never shown to be very mature or make the best choices, he hasn't been healthy in three years and he's got a massive contract that finishes in four years paying him $22 million. There are just too many reasons not to trade for him.

    As for Doug Smith, I think he's got a very informed opinion and knows more about basketball and the Raptors than most people around here, but he's one guy, and I put as much stock in his opinion as I do in other sports writers. It's great that he would agree to the trade, but in the end it means nothing.

    And I was also using sarcasm in reference to the Jesus joke. Don't worry, I understood it.

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    JFTR, Tony was the one who said "Trade Him To Washington" and then Wilbon went into detail about it.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I never said he's a douchebag. I'm sure he's got very good qualities and can be a very nice guy. And I'm also sure he really wants to win. But he's never shown to be very mature or make the best choices, he hasn't been healthy in three years and he's got a massive contract that finishes in four years paying him $22 million. There are just too many reasons not to trade for him.

    As for Doug Smith, I think he's got a very informed opinion and knows more about basketball and the Raptors than most people around here, but he's one guy, and I put as much stock in his opinion as I do in other sports writers. It's great that he would agree to the trade, but in the end it means nothing.

    And I was also using sarcasm in reference to the Jesus joke. Don't worry, I understood it.
    Glad we both have sarcasm detectors that are in working order lol. So if not Arenas, then who else do you see as a potential trading partner for unloading the turk. Are you a Diaw fan, or do you forsee a possible salary dump etc?

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Apparently, trading for Arenas is the only way to get rid of Turkoglu. It's also the only way to convince Bosh to stay. Fortunately, neither of those statements are likely correct.

    There have been numerous scenarios involving trading Turkolgu mentioned that don't involve bringing in a bigger and probably more immovable contract for a player with knee problems who could become a major distraction.

    And I'm not even sure trading for Arenas would be an attraction for Bosh. After bringing in Jermaine O'Neal and Turkoglu backfired, I would think Bosh is looking for less of a gamble to stay.

    And if Bosh ends up leaving, Arenas' contract could end up being more of an albatross around the Raptors neck than Turkoglu's would.

    As for trading for Brand, I'm not sure you understand. The point is not to trade for Brand but to get Evan Turner, who could end up being a very special player and someone the franchise can build around. Brand is simply the price you pay to get him. If Brand regains his form, all the better, but at the very least, he's going to be a good locker room guy who has a year less on his contract than Arenas.

    Obviously it depends on how good you think Turner will be. I think he will end up being a special player who can be the future of the franchise. If Bosh leaves, the team is going to lose anyway, even with Arenas. Why not make the future a little brighter by getting a guy you can build around like Turner?

    Trading for Arenas would only be a success if a) he regains his form, b) isn't a distraction c) doesn't take shots away from the younger players like DeRozan and b) Bosh stays. That's far to many variables to have for a deal that could backfire so badly. It's all about risk vs reward, and the reward isn't big enough to outweigh the risk.
    no ,i understand perfectly turner might be too use to just being crpa that he's not gong to try once brand is gone and with arenas and turner you're better off than with brand and tuner.
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    no ,i understand perfectly turner might be too use to just being crpa that he's not gong to try once brand is gone and with arenas and turner you're better off than with brand and tuner.
    One thing has nothing to do with the other. You just talked about how you couldn't understand why people didn't want Arenas, but wanted to get Brand. I explained why.

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