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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    He is better in every way.
    1. Skill Set
    2. Growth Potential
    3. Attitude
    4. Better TV Commercials
    5. Better hair
    6. Speaks more languages
    7. Better suits
    8. More international experience
    9. Better website/blog/twitter
    10. Better ambassador/promoter of Toronto and the Raptors
    1.Skill set- 3point shooting 7footer allergic to rebounds vs. 20pts and 10rbs every night.
    2.Growth potential- Bargnani has so far to go in the rebounding department that he wins this catergory by default... which is actually a loss.
    3.Attitude- Has team spirit, leaves it on the floor, shows emotion, vs. not much.
    4.Better TV Commercials- Wow, you really like your pasta.
    5.Better hair- Captain Dread vs. Major Bedhead =tie.
    6.Speaks more languages- Italian, OK english vs. English, very good ebonics
    7.Better suits- Just a matter of taste =tie.
    8.More international experience- Years of shooting 3pointers and playing no defense
    vs. winning an olympic gold medal
    9.Better website/blog/twitter- "Twittergate" vs. ...but at least I am improving a lot with Playstation!
    10.Better ambassador/promoter of Toronto and the Raptors- "I want max money" vs. "I want that TV camera out of my face"

    "Twittergate" aside... Bosh wins.

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    Heh. Amir is better than Bargnani. But unlike you, I actually believe what I say.

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    Quote RikkJames wrote: View Post
    Barg's skillset and talent is better than Bosh's , but Bosh is more aggressive ( sometimes ). Both cannot dribble to well, they both can take it to the hoop although Bargs doesnt do it enough. Barg's skillset is similar to Dirk's but his BBall IQ and heart is not even close. But overall talentwise I must agree with the original poster , Bargs is a better player, that's why he was chosen #1 overall , cuz of his talent...too bad his heart didnt catch up...yet?
    Bargnani would have been lucky to be taken in the top ten if he was in the class of 2003. He was taken number one in a draft with no consensus number one. Is Kwame Brown and Kenyon Martin better than Bosh too? I mean they were taken 1st overall.

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    that pie chart sucked. looks hadi quality.
    bargs is a better all around player, just watch.
    this season will be awesome once overrated, conceited antileader cb is gone
    trust me when the new raps era starts in october u will see.
    ps, i dont see bargs sittin at lakers games...right now he is practicing and playing..a real player

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    this season will be awesome once overrated, conceited antileader cb is gone
    And you're basing this on the limited game time he played without Bosh where he struggled royally with all eyes on him? He's a sidekick.

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    Andrea Bargnani led all Raptors' starters on Tuesday with 11 points, making 5-of-14 field goals while attempting just one free throw.

    Chris Bosh went down early in the first quarter and consequently the starting five finished just 16-of-42 from the floor.
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    Maybe what Bargnani lacks more than anything is urgency, a sense of the moment.

    Take Bargnani’s performances this year without Chris Bosh in the lineup. On Wednesday against Boston, he was average: 17 points on eight-for-22 shooting with five rebounds in 39 minutes.
    in the 67 games he has played with Bosh in the lineup this year: 17.1 points, 6.4 rebounds and 1.4 blocks per game on 47.1 per cent shooting. When Bosh plays, Bargnani averages 34.6 minutes of floor time per game.
    in which he has played and Bosh has not: 15.0 points, 4.6 rebounds, 1.2 blocks per game on 41.6 per cent shooting. When Bosh does not play, Bargnani averages 36.7 minutes of floor time per game.
    his weaknesses — toughness, rebounding, defence — also happen to mirror his team’s shortcomings.
    A search through the league reveals that when stars go down, their replacement’s production tends to increase.
    And when given the opportunity to do more, Bargnani has actually done less.
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    I mentioned yesterday that I think Bargnani’s could be in better condition. This isn’t to say he’s out of shape or that he doesn’t take care of his fitness.
    By way of evidence I give you his performance on the second night of back-to-backs this season. The Raptors have been pretty abysmal as a group, with just a 3-8 record in these situations.
    Bargnani’s efficiency falls off a cliff. He is averaging 12 points and 6.2 rebounds and shooting a brick-like 38 per cent from the floor and 28.2 per cent from deep. The scary thing is those numbers are an improvement over his career trend.
    Bargnani is best on two day’s rest. He shoots 52 per cent, though the rust seems to hurt his deep stroke as he connects on just 32.5 per cent of his triples. With a day between games he shoots 47.6 per cent and 41.9 per cent from beyond the arc.
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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    that pie chart sucked. looks hadi quality.
    bargs is a better all around player, just watch.
    this season will be awesome once overrated, conceited antileader cb is gone
    trust me when the new raps era starts in october u will see.
    ps, i dont see bargs sittin at lakers games...right now he is practicing and playing..a real player
    Actually his blog says he's practicing Playstation

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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    Reasons Andrea Bargnani could be considered a better player than CB4
    -better shooter */ Disagree */
    -more agile, quicker */ Strongly Disagree */
    -better shot blocker, post defender */ Disagree. Post defender? Not historically, mild improvement this year. Bargs is one of the worst overall defenders in the NBA*/
    -more potential in terms of physical attributes (he is bigger and faster than Bosh) */ True for many players in the league. Means Nothing */
    -Better passer, though he doesn't show it very often, when he does it's pretty brilliant */ Mildly Disagree */
    -Runs the floor much, much better */Strongly disagree */
    -Significantly cheaper

    Reasons CB4 is considered better
    -Better rebounder
    -Better Scorer
    -Better team defender
    -better hands (I think, this could go the other way)
    -Far more moves in terms of making shots
    - draws an instant double team
    - Better shot selection
    - Fact that most teams would love to have him
    - Fact that the coach of the US men's olympic team couldn't say enough good things about him
    - Higher basketball IQ

    Things I'm not sure about
    -Leadership: we know Bosh can't, maybe Bargs can (probably not)
    -Scoring ability as the number one option: Bargs has not been in that position, and since he is pretty much built to operate in the high post, he may get closer to Bosh if he is ever put in the high post. */Until you double team him*/
    -Desire to win: Neither of them have shown this very well. */ Are you kidding? */

    Conclusion: While Bosh would seem to be a better player, there is an argument here to say Andrea is better. I don't think he is right now and I honestly doubt he ever will be, but there is a chance.
    There is no chance. Bargs is a one-dimensional scorer with no post-up game and a shooter who can't create his own shot. He brings a very low basketball IQ, terrible defensive awareness, a lax approach and poor shooting mechanics to the game. I don't know why this city has such a hard-on for him (other than that he's white), but the rest of the basketball world thinks little of him.

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    This pretty much says all I have to say about Bargnani....
    http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfen...inst-bargnani/

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    He is better in every way.
    1. Skill Set
    2. Growth Potential
    3. Attitude
    4. Better TV Commercials
    5. Better hair
    6. Speaks more languages
    7. Better suits
    8. More international experience
    9. Better website/blog/twitter
    10. Better ambassador/promoter of Toronto and the Raptors
    LOL if your trying to be sarcastic u accomplished thats some funny shit !
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    come on appollo, dont tell me u think cb is more than a sidekick?
    we might not need bargs to be our leader, just to be our #1 weapon
    next year we will have a 'team', not a bunch of guys appeasing the 'franchise player'

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    ya dude, hes plain 2k stuffing dunks on bosh's lakers

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    This pretty much says all I have to say about Bargnani....
    http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfen...inst-bargnani/
    That, sir, is an excellent link.

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    Quote Copywryter wrote: View Post
    There is no chance. Bargs is a one-dimensional scorer with no post-up game and a shooter who can't create his own shot. He brings a very low basketball IQ, terrible defensive awareness, a lax approach and poor shooting mechanics to the game. I don't know why this city has such a hard-on for him (other than that he's white), but the rest of the basketball world thinks little of him.
    K, first off, I don't live in Toronto so don't take my comments to reflect the city's approach. He has a post up game, it's just not overly well developed but it has improved significantly.
    Secondly, Bargs is faster than Bosh, and he is a better shooter from distance and their is no one that has ever watched them play that will disagree with that. What they have done historically has very little do do with this, this is about how they play today. Bosh is a terrible post defender and Bargs is significantly better due to his size. He has also always been a better shot blocker.

    " draws an instant double team
    - Better shot selection
    - Fact that most teams would love to have him
    - Fact that the coach of the US men's olympic team couldn't say enough good things about him
    - Higher basketball IQ"

    The double team thing means the other team sees him as a better player, not that he necessarily is. I don't particularly care what the coach of the US Olympic team has to say, especially since this is a comparative thing and I have never heard the US coaches stance on Bargs. Bosh does not have good Basketball IQ. Period. Bosh settles for Jumpers when he has mismatches, can't pass out of a double team, has no idea how to find open teammates and has awful shot selection.

    Bosh has very little desire to win, if you watch him he disappears late in close games. Maybe that just shows he's a choker, but to me it shows a lack of desire. I said at the end of the post that I didn't think he was as good as Bosh but there is an argument to be made. This coming season will tell the story.
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    K, first off, I don't live in Toronto so don't take my comments to reflect the city's approach. He has a post up game, it's just not overly well developed but it has improved significantly.
    Secondly, Bargs is faster than Bosh, and he is a better shooter from distance and their is no one that has ever watched them play that will disagree with that. What they have done historically has very little do do with this, this is about how they play today. Bosh is a terrible post defender and Bargs is significantly better due to his size. He has also always been a better shot blocker.

    " draws an instant double team
    - Better shot selection
    - Fact that most teams would love to have him
    - Fact that the coach of the US men's olympic team couldn't say enough good things about him
    - Higher basketball IQ"

    The double team thing means the other team sees him as a better player, not that he necessarily is. I don't particularly care what the coach of the US Olympic team has to say, especially since this is a comparative thing and I have never heard the US coaches stance on Bargs. Bosh does not have good Basketball IQ. Period. Bosh settles for Jumpers when he has mismatches, can't pass out of a double team, has no idea how to find open teammates and has awful shot selection.

    Bosh has very little desire to win, if you watch him he disappears late in close games. Maybe that just shows he's a choker, but to me it shows a lack of desire. I said at the end of the post that I didn't think he was as good as Bosh but there is an argument to be made. This coming season will tell the story.
    It's that he is the better player, the reason why the Us coaches have no stance on Andrea is because Bosh stood out on a team of allstars when its even a debate on weather Andrea or Amir is the better player. Chris Bosh multiple time allstar, widly regarded free agent. The reason he shoots the jumper so much is because teams would rather him beat them from the outside so they are giving him the room to shoot, rather than having him carve them up inside and as for never passing out of the double team how do you think Andrea got all those open looks at the three point line when we have no dribble penetration. Who was the raptors only low post threat? who on the raptors demands a a double team. Bosh is not perfect but to suggest Andrea is better is absured. Andrea even said Chris makes the game easier for him when they play together. If you think the rapors are jump shot happy try making Andrea your #1 option.

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    bosh knows that andrea is better and that is why he will leave.
    andrea is far more aggressive and hungry to win.
    tim's hate on blog was just that, haterade, made from the same stuff the smoke monster on lost is made of.
    also andrea is taller, has better shoes, and doesn't tweet stuff like 'what da scarest movie u ever seen?''

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    come on appollo, dont tell me u think cb is more than a sidekick?
    we might not need bargs to be our leader, just to be our #1 weapon
    next year we will have a 'team', not a bunch of guys appeasing the 'franchise player'
    Never said he wasn't destined to be a sidekick in the league. Actually I've said many times Bosh would be best suited to be the side kick of a Kobe, Wade or LeBron. Here's the difference, right now Bosh will be a great sidekick next season and Bargnani is a good sidekick.

    I think going all in on Bargnani with your hope is dangerous. He's not a franchise #1 player, just like Rashard Lewis isn't for example. Bosh may be gone but they doesn't mean we all need to force the issue on a guy who isn't ready to lead anything.
    Last edited by Apollo; Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 09:59 PM.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Bargnani would have been lucky to be taken in the top ten if he was in the class of 2003. He was taken number one in a draft with no consensus number one. Is Kwame Brown and Kenyon Martin better than Bosh too? I mean they were taken 1st overall.
    What i meant was that Andrea was chosen 1st overall because scouts saw the talent that he possessed. He wasnt drafted cuz he is 7' and can rebound and block shots, he was chosen cuz he was 7' and was thought to have an all-around game similar to Dirks. Bosh is the better player at the moment, but my argument is Andrea might be more talented in overall basketball skillset. Alot of times, its not the most skilled player that excels , its the one with the desire ... which is what Andrea lacks the most. Its like comparing Rafer Alston to Jason Kidd, Alston is probably the more talented player, but Kidd kills him with his desire, basketball IQ and heart.

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    so, in a nutshell we all are in agreement that andrea is better than bosh right?

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