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    Default Start Rasho Over Bargnani

    I'm not saying this to be spiteful or as a disgruntled fan right now, but as a solution to a team with no direction or identity. Rasho obviously isn't a long term fix by any means and eventhough he's slower than a tortoise, right now he's the kind of support Bosh needs in the front court. Someone to help clear space in the paint, someone who has fantastic awareness not to mention a keen knack of rolling off the perfect pick and someone who is strong on the offensive glass creating second hand chances.

    Contracts shouldn't dictate who starts and who comes off the bench, but unfortunately that's what happens. Until Bargnani wakes up and shows some grit, I'd prefer to see him come off the bench. Jay sent a message to Bargnani by benching him in the 4th quarter tonight which made me happy, but anyone who thinks this kid is the player we're going to build around in the future is kidding themselves and dare I say somewhat delusional.

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    I agree bosh needs help, especially in terms of second chance points. The reason Bosh and bargs don't work together is that they both play outside, meaning no one gets the rebound. My solution would be to structure the offense in a way that one of them is at the basket and one is outside, so someone can get on the glass. Now if you do that, and you tell barge that when its his turn to be at the glass his only concern is cleaning up, and he still fails then you put Rasho in the startin line up. But with the rellative improvement bargs has shown this year I think he should be given a chance. Plus, on the plays you run where bargs gets the shot bosh has a great rebounding IQ and will have a good chance for the rebound.

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    I'm not saying this to be spiteful or as a disgruntled fan right now, but as a solution to a team with no direction or identity. Rasho obviously isn't a long term fix by any means and eventhough he's slower than a tortoise, right now he's the kind of support Bosh needs in the front court. Someone to help clear space in the paint, someone who has fantastic awareness not to mention a keen knack of rolling off the perfect pick and someone who is strong on the offensive glass creating second hand chances.

    Contracts shouldn't dictate who starts and who comes off the bench, but unfortunately that's what happens. Until Bargnani wakes up and shows some grit, I'd prefer to see him come off the bench. Jay sent a message to Bargnani by benching him in the 4th quarter tonight which made me happy, but anyone who thinks this kid is the player we're going to build around in the future is kidding themselves and dare I say somewhat delusional.
    The above measure sounds more punitive than constructive. At this stage of their careers, I will take Andrea with his deficiencies over Rasho. With such a move, we are deflating our assets value and taking valuable experience from a young player that is still growing.


    A couple of years ago, I was angry about the Raptors starting Andrea ahead of Rasho in the playoffs... I felt it was stupid to use that time to groom a rookie. Some disagreed. My view is that once you are in the playoffs the number one priority is to win, and win at any cost. Playing rookies is fine as they need that valuable experience, but it shouldn't be done if its hindering the team and you know another player can step in and perform better.


    To me Andrea always seemed like a player that needed a slap every so often to keep him from getting too comfortable. Notice that he seems to play good when he has something to prove. Take for instance his horrible performance in Europe, he comes here and plays above his head for a few games... than starts settling into his comfort zone and soon is observing the action instead of influencing it. Remember how he played in Boston at the beginning of the year... even their homer announcers were dumbfounded when they saw Bargnani pushing his will on Boston with impunity. He was blocking, protecting lanes and causing serious havoc with his frame.

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    Quote trizzo wrote: View Post
    The above measure sounds more punitive than constructive. At this stage of their careers, I will take Andrea with his deficiencies over Rasho. With such a move, we are deflating our assets value and taking valuable experience from a young player that is still growing.
    True, but this isn't anything new. Remember, this isn't a rookie but someone in their 4th season in the league. Messages need to be sent. Whether that be a 4th quarter benching or not starting the next couple games. Bargnani needs to show some type of emotion instead of that deer in the headlights look he gives.

    The blocked shots were there, but nothing with his frame last night caused havoc. If it did it was with us and not causing issues for the Celtics.

    Look, although it might sound like I'm blaming him I don't mean too. It just irks me to no end when I see the potential of a player like Andrea that we saw for the 2nd half of last season and the start of this one, quickly become a "mental midget" and looking like a rookie instead of someone making an identity for himself over this past season. Players slump, but not as significant as he has over the last week and a half. This certainly needs to be addressed by Triano be it a clip board over the head or a stern talking too.

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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    I agree bosh needs help, especially in terms of second chance points. The reason Bosh and bargs don't work together is that they both play outside, meaning no one gets the rebound. My solution would be to structure the offense in a way that one of them is at the basket and one is outside, so someone can get on the glass. Now if you do that, and you tell barge that when its his turn to be at the glass his only concern is cleaning up, and he still fails then you put Rasho in the startin line up. But with the rellative improvement bargs has shown this year I think he should be given a chance. Plus, on the plays you run where bargs gets the shot bosh has a great rebounding IQ and will have a good chance for the rebound.
    Welcome to the RR forums hateslosing. And I do hate losing too.

    But that style of offense is already something this team has played since Andrea was drafted so we could use his strength of the hitting the three pointer to help stretch the offense. The problem with that when you use it as often as the Raptors do, is that you reduce your percentage of second hand chances when its one man on the offensive glass rather than two.

    I can understand if Andrea has the hot hand from outside, but when he struggles as much as he has over this last week, he needs to recognize that and make changes to find other ways to score. Whether it be driving more to the hoop or trying to make something work on the post.

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