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    Default Raps 2010-2011 Starting C and PF

    Next year could see some major changes for the Raps starting PF and C.

    Working under the assumption CB takes a hike, we will most likely be looking at a starting combo of Bargs and Amir or Bargs and Davis.

    What do you all think? Will Bargs be C or PF?

    With Davis being fresh to the NBA and Amir blossoming at an exponential rate I would assume Amir would be starting. That being said, Davis has lots of potential too which might be good to tap into right away (plus, there is no full guarantee yet on Amir re-signing- fingers crossed).

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    If we don't pick up anyone else and Bosh leaves, Bargs will be at center. Both Davis and Amir are too light to match up against guys like Dwight Howard and would basically get posterized for 48 minutes. I could see them having either Amir or Davis playing closer to the basket on defense though in order to provide extra help when Bargs get's confused. On offense, Bargs has basically been playing the 4 for the last few years anyway, so yah.
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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    What do you all think? Will Bargs be C or PF?
    Considering we don't really have any other starting options at the centre spot, I don't see anything changing with Andrea and moving him to the PF spot. If the man could learn to use his size to his advantage, then having Bargnani as a centre would only benefit us. Offensively and 1-on-1 defence I'm not worried. It's his terrible rebounding and help defence which is worrisome. If he can improve in those two departments this summer for next fall, then I'll be a happy camper and lay off the Andrea criticism ..... a bit.

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    That's what I was curious about too. With the rebounding issue at hand, it might be better to put Davis down low at the C position anyways and revert Bargs to CB4's usual post positioning.

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    I don't think it matters. On offense the other team chooses who they want to defend the opposing players. Bargs will probably draw the better front court defender while Amir/Davis get the other guy.

    On defense, it all depends on matchups. If it's Dwight Howard, I think it makes sense Bargs would be the one covering them. But if it's Joakim Noah?

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    we might start reggie for a different look seeing how he is the strongest out of that group.
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    Default hmmm...

    I really hope Bargs goes to the 4 with possibly Alabi at the 5. Alabi is a great defensive player and has the size to play with the bigs in the NBA. Amir and Davis could be very good and a lot of fun to watch coming off the bench.

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    Actually Amir and Davis would look pretty good off the bench together. Or Reggie and Davis off the bench and Amir starting.

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    That's what I was curious about too. With the rebounding issue at hand, it might be better to put Davis down low at the C position anyways and revert Bargs to CB4's usual post positioning.
    How exactly does it make a difference which position Bargnani will play? Bosh played PF last year, and Bargnani played center, yet Bargnani spent the majority of time camped out at the three point line. You guys have to get over this fascination of which hypothetical position Bargnani will play. It really won't make much difference at all.

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    I really hope Bargs goes to the 4 with possibly Alabi at the 5. Alabi is a great defensive player and has the size to play with the bigs in the NBA. Amir and Davis could be very good and a lot of fun to watch coming off the bench.
    You want a second round pick, who's incredibly raw, to start at center? I think it's doubtful he'll even get regular minutes, let along start. I think you're expecting far, far too much from the 50th pick.

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    [QUOTE=Tim W.;23334]How exactly does it make a difference which position Bargnani will play? Bosh played PF last year, and Bargnani played center, yet Bargnani spent the majority of time camped out at the three point line. You guys have to get over this fascination of which hypothetical position Bargnani will play. It really won't make much difference at all.


    Ummm..hello..it makes a big difference in terms of positioning for rebounding, which is what we were talking about.

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    Ummm..hello..it makes a big difference in terms of positioning for rebounding, which is what we were talking about.
    Bargs is best when guarding the opposing team's larger power based interior player who tries to isolate and back him down. Conversely, many PFs are just too quick and athletic for him to handle. I think that has been the consensus for quite some time.

    Amir, on the other hand, is best when guarding quick PFs.

    Bargs is going to suck at rebounding regardless of whether he's at PF or C. His lack of defensive awareness and understanding of team & weakside defense, while perhaps a bigger issue at C, will still remain a problem at PF. He's also going to struggle with transition defense no matter what 'position' he's playing.

    On offense, you want to force the other team's C into a matchup with Bargnani, since he is usually no match for Bargnani's shooting range and first step.

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    Ummm..hello..it makes a big difference in terms of positioning for rebounding, which is what we were talking about.
    When we're talking about the difference between PF and C, not it doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Last season Bargnani defended mostly centers, yet could only grab 6.2 rpg. Bosh defended PFs, yet averaged double digit rebounding. If Bargnani defends PFs, his rebounding numbers could conceivably get worse if he's asked to defend more on the perimeter, but really, both positions spend the majority of their time on defense (where most rebounds are gotten) either in the paint or close to it.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    When we're talking about the difference between PF and C, not it doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Last season Bargnani defended mostly centers, yet could only grab 6.2 rpg. Bosh defended PFs, yet averaged double digit rebounding. If Bargnani defends PFs, his rebounding numbers could conceivably get worse if he's asked to defend more on the perimeter, but really, both positions spend the majority of their time on defense (where most rebounds are gotten) either in the paint or close to it.
    Offensive rebounding....

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    Offensive rebounding....
    What about it?

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    Quote Brasky wrote: View Post
    What about it?
    1. They are great.
    2. If Bargs plays further away from the basket (as per the norm), I think Amir/Davis will be excellent at corralling them. Much better than Bosh in fact.

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    1. They are great.
    2. If Bargs plays further away from the basket (as per the norm), I think Amir/Davis will be excellent at corralling them. Much better than Bosh in fact.
    Amir will have a higher Oreb rate and lower Dreb rate than Bosh, no doubt. Davis hasn't even played a game yet.

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    If playing the PF makes Bargnani play closer to the rim, then I'm all for it, but I don't think it matters. If he wasn't able to use his quickness against the C's in this league over the last three years, then he sure as hell won't do it against the PFs.

    Re: Rebounding

    He can't box out his own shadow, maybe his height advantage will yield him more rebounds (since PFs are usually shorter), but since he doesn't jump and other PFs do, even that's questionable.

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    The point of what I was saying is that Amir and Davis will probably REB better than him.

    Davis and Johnson will both be better rebounders than CB4, so will Bargs.

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    The point of what I was saying is that Amir and Davis will probably REB better than him.

    Davis and Johnson will both be better rebounders than CB4, so will Bargs.
    Way to ruin a decent thread.

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    ummm...how does that ruin the thread.....

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