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    Default ESPN: Raptors Losing Interest in Doing a Deal with Bosh

    Bosh's Twitterization of the courting process, which included several tweets of anticipation leading up to the July 1 commencement of free agency, didn't sit well with the Raptors either, the source said.

    Bosh met with the Rockets and Raptors at the onset of the free agent market and over the past two days met with the Miami Heat, New Jersey Nets, New York Knicks and Chicago Bulls at the Chicago office of his agent, Henry Thomas.

    The philosophical change on the Raptors' part restricts Bosh's choices to the teams with sufficient salary cap space to offer a max contract: the Bulls, Clippers, Heat, Knicks and Nets.

    It also hampers teams who hoped to acquire Bosh via trade while preserving their cap space to use on another player or players.

    According to the source, Bosh, Dwyane Wade and LeBron James are still intrigued by the possibility of all playing together, be it in Miami, Chicago or elsewhere.
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    Not really a fan of this to be honest, just for the simple fact that I at least want SOMETHING for Bosh in return. I'd hate to see him just walk. Then again, he has been a douche bag throughout this entire process and doesn't deserve an extra 30 million.

    But in the end, I want what's best for the Raptors, and that's getting something in return.

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    bosh lebron, and wade will not play together.
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    Default Raptors Leaning away from a Sign and Trade

    Not alot of commentary on my part just a link
    Basicly says we are frustrated with the deals we would get in return for Bosh, and we are also unhappy with the way Bosh has been presenting himself on Twitter.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5352236

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    Just get something for him Colangelo, my expectations are already low on his return and I hope at least that you will get either a first rounder, young players or the the $16 million dollars trade exemption.

    If Bosh walks for nothing then Colangelo should pack his bags as well.

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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    Just get something for him Colangelo, my expectations are already low on his return and I hope at least that you will get either a first rounder, young players or the the $16 million dollars trade exemption.

    If Bosh walks for nothing then Colangelo should pack his bags as well.
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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    No truer words have been spoken.
    No, those words are moronic. You don't give Bosh and extra 30 million, help another Eastern Conference team build a power house and get a gluttony of horrible contracts and useless pieces in return.

    That poster should be fired, as should you.

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    Quote Realist wrote: View Post
    No, those words are moronic. You don't give Bosh and extra 30 million, help another Eastern Conference team build a power house and get a gluttony of horrible contracts and useless pieces in return.

    That poster should be fired, as should you.
    All year BC has assured re-signing Bosh or getting a trade that pockets the teams assets or a trade exception. Now he is changing his tune since his last press conference. Any other GM that lets his best player walk and get nothing in return would be fired in any other market.

    As for firing me, give it a shot. I shouldn't even be addressing you as you have obvisouly the intellect of your portrait. Welcome the opinon but don't attempt to knock my lizard boy.

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    Quote Realist wrote: View Post
    No, those words are moronic. You don't give Bosh and extra 30 million, help another Eastern Conference team build a power house and get a gluttony of horrible contracts and useless pieces in return.

    That poster should be fired, as should you.
    I never said anything about getting back horrible contracts and useless pieces, do you make crap up as you go just like you do on RealGM forum?!

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    No, those words are moronic. You don't give Bosh and extra 30 million, help another Eastern Conference team build a power house and get a gluttony of horrible contracts and useless pieces in return.

    That poster should be fired, as should you.
    I agree with realist here. If you are going to get horrible contracts for the Bosh S & T, you might as well, let him walk for nothing, instead of giving him his 30 million and creating a powerhouse. It drives the organization in the mud with its reputation and gives the players the feeling, they can request for a trade and actually be rewarded with it with the extra 6th year. It sets a bad precedent for the organization and might be the final nail in the coffin which will move the franchise to "NBA needs a franchise here" Seattle.

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    Quote smushmush wrote: View Post
    I agree with realist here. If you are going to get horrible contracts for the Bosh S & T, you might as well, let him walk for nothing, instead of giving him his 30 million and creating a powerhouse. It drives the organization in the mud with its reputation and gives the players the feeling, they can request for a trade and actually be rewarded with it with the extra 6th year. It sets a bad precedent for the organization and might be the final nail in the coffin which will move the franchise to "NBA needs a franchise here" Seattle.
    lol raptors are not even close to going out of toronto

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    Aww i just posted this too lol :P

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    Quote INFO wrote: View Post
    Aww i just posted this too lol :P
    No worries, I have you covered. I merged them.

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    It's nice to see the organization finally standing up for itself (if this news is true). It might hurt in the short term, but hopefully it pays off in the long run.

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    Quote Sly wrote: View Post
    It's nice to see the organization finally standing up for itself (if this news is true). It might hurt in the short term, but hopefully it pays off in the long run.
    I completely agree. Bosh thinks he still has all the power in Toronto even though he says he wants no business with them. If I were BC I say let him walk and forget about him having max years and dollars. Save money and keep rebuilding.

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    Quote Macc wrote: View Post
    I completely agree. Bosh thinks he still has all the power in Toronto even though he says he wants no business with them. If I were BC I say let him walk and forget about him having max years and dollars. Save money and keep rebuilding.
    I think some are reading too much into the angst being felt by the Raptors Org.

    As someone else has already alluded to this is an event playing out like a poker game. There is bluffing and posturing and raising of the ante etc etc. In the final analysis what everyone is angling for is the best deal for themselves here. If the reports are true about the org. feelings, it could very well be that it is a shot across the bow on a couple of levels...a) Lets Bosh and his people know that we would like to be kept in the loop b) Lets those who would like to employ Bosh that we would rather walk than consider bad deals...in other words sharpen their pencils.

    All in all a good plant of a story

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    Default RAPTORS BLUFF --- not interested in s&T

    Bosh is simply doing what is best for him. The Raptors Organization have the same motive do whats best for the Organization (MAKE BIG PROFIT) via fans and season tickets etc...

    Bosh knows his health and understands that the position he plays and the beating his light-pole body takes only has soo many good years left. He aint Howard.
    THus maximize NOW!
    He won't last as long as LABROWN and WADE. Bosh will also never get as many sponsers as Lebrone and Wade....So he must maximize now...

    As for the Raptors...BC is among the best GM in the league... This is a game of poker... and If he just called a bluff letting BOSH and the league know... they are not interested in S&T ... he just did a damn smart thing. Either way Raptors will get burned is bosh walks or not... cause they are in rebuilding mode. The ball is in Bosh court now.

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    I think this is a smoke screen. The Raptors are looking to take advantage of Bosh's character flaws and drive the price up on a S&T... Damn, if you told me a year ago that Bosh was one of the most insecure players in the league I would have laughed it off. Not anymore.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I think this is a smoke screen. The Raptors are looking to take advantage of Bosh's character flaws and drive the price up on a S&T... Damn, if you told me a year ago that Bosh was one of the most insecure players in the league I would have laughed it off. Not anymore.
    As is more often the case then not we are not in agreement on something my friend

    This is how I see it.

    1. Bosh is a smart fella. - For example he cut his hair before doing all of these interviews

    2. Bosh realizes that a career as a NBA player is short lived

    3. Only Bosh knows how much pain he can endure on his busted up knee and what not. So only he knows how long he might have as a top notch player

    4. I don't agree that what Bosh is doing is driving down his "brand value". This of course is totally subjective and many think what he is doing is in fact driving down his "brand value".

    So it seems to me that point #4 is really the crux of the argument. It seems to me that Bosh is trying to increase his "brand value"; with things like his "free agent documentary". I think Bosh has also made up his mind where he is going. I think it will be Miami and so all of this is for show. Even if Bosh is just going through the motions which is great publicity for the NBA in July he still had to cut his hair otherwise Stern would not have been too happy a camper.

    Bottom line is Bosh in my opinion is a smart fellow and is doing what he is doing to build his brand and increase his marketing value, beyond just his basketball contract. Keep in mind that he has been basically buried for his entire career up in Toronto, primarily because they haven't had but I believe two playoff teams in his seven years. So while American basketball fans know who he is his brand recognition and value relative to the other players in the league of about the same age and talent are a lot lower.

    Again it seems to me to all come down to whether what he is doing is building his brand or hurting it. That of course is open to debate and really will never be answered unless he could do it the opposite way in an alternative universe and we could compare the two results

    By the way I have no problem whatsoever with him doing what he is doing. Not being a Raptors fan per se, as I have already explained, I am not feeling abandoned by him. Also, I do not believe that during this whole process that he has ever once come out and bad mouthed either the Raptors organization, the Raptors fans, the city of Toronto or Canada. He is doing nothing more than attempting to be a good and successful capitalist. Of course to many people today wanting to be a good and successful capitalist even within the framework of the law is almost as bad as being a pedophile.
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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
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    I think this is a smoke screen. The Raptors are looking to take advantage of Bosh's character flaws and drive the price up on a S&T... Damn, if you told me a year ago that Bosh was one of the most insecure players in the league I would have laughed it off. Not anymore.
    As is more often the case then not we are not in agreement on something my friend

    This is how I see it.

    1. Bosh is a smart fella. - For example he cut his hair before doing all of these interviews

    2. Bosh realizes that a career as a NBA player is short lived

    3. Only Bosh knows how much pain he can endure on his busted up knee and what not. So only he knows how long he might have as a top notch player

    4. I don't agree that what Bosh is doing is driving down his "brand value". This of course is totally subjective and many think what he is doing is in fact driving down his "brand value".
    Ok, so I'll stop it right there. I think you've misunderstood what I am saying. I never said Bosh was driving down his value by acting like an insecure d-bag. What I am saying is it's a major flaw, it's unprofessional and it's an excellent opportunity for the Raptors to play up the idea that it's leading them to becoming disinterested in dealing with Bosh. That doesn't change Bosh's market value but if Bosh should want to play for a team that is capped or he really wants to get that extra year and millions, the Raptors are already in an established position where they aren't looking to deal. With that position established teams could try to offer more enticing offers to the Raptors to get it done.

    And for the record, if Bosh were a smart and strong man he would be able to suppress his weakness and handle this as James is handling it. Professionally and quietly.
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