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    Default SAS: Bosh Broke Up the "Dream Team" in Miami

    Stephen A. Smith just reaffirming that Bosh wanting a maximum contract is the reason why we likely won't see a team consisting of LeBron, Wade and Bosh anytime soon.

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    Is SAS says it, we know it isn't so.

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    leave it to chris bosh to be the high class escort

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    I never seen any class in how Bosh operated this past month.

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    Quote Sam wrote: View Post
    Is SAS says it, we know it isn't so.
    It's not just SAS, multiple reports have said Bosh is the one who wants the money. He doesn't give two shits about winning, it's all about branding for that soft, overrated, stat-padding diva.

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    Quote Sam wrote: View Post
    Is SAS says it, we know it isn't so.
    While I would normally agree with you, the ground work on how Smith explained everything up until this point it in his interview does make alot of sense right now. So, that being said SAS might actually have all his duck's in a row for a change.

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    Default Good.

    Wouldn't like that team anyway but would have been nice to see the egos and styles clash and they fail to win a championship.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I never seen any class in how Bosh operated this past month.
    The question is, did Wade and LeBron demand the max and ask Bosh to come in for less? I love how everyone is now assuming the worst whatever the rumour may be.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    The question is, did Wade and LeBron demand the max and ask Bosh to come in for less? I love how everyone is now assuming the worst whatever the rumour may be.
    Regardless of whatever the rumour may be, LeBron and Wade are certainly worth the max so if Bosh feels slighted because they wanted him to take less then he's delusional if he feels he's worth the same.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    The question is, did Wade and LeBron demand the max and ask Bosh to come in for less? I love how everyone is now assuming the worst whatever the rumour may be.
    No, both LeBron and Wade were willing to take pay cuts (5-years 100mil, I think) as SAS said, but Bosh is insisting on getting the maximum, which is why it can't happen, at least for now.

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    Regardless of whatever the rumour may be, LeBron and Wade are certainly worth the max so if Bosh feels slighted because they wanted him to take less then he's delusional if he feels he's worth the same.
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    No, both LeBron and Wade were willing to take pay cuts (5-years 100mil, I think) as SAS said, but Bosh is insisting on getting the maximum, which is why it can't happen, at least for now.
    This is amazing. First, most guys are jumping on Bosh for wanting to team up on a "Dream Team", now you're criticizing him for breaking it up. This goes back to my earlier thread about how Bosh is in a no win situation with fans.

    First, If Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay got the max, I can understand Bosh feeling slighted if he's expected not to get that.

    And if Bosh wants to get the maximum amount of money, who are we to criticize him for it? He's not hamstringing an entire franchise who won't be able to win with such an unwieldy contract. And if Bosh were truly committed to playing both Wade and Bosh, I'm sure he'd take less money. He's obviously not.

    Even more annoying than the way Bosh has been acting throughout this process is the behaviour of Raptor fans who seem to want him to act only the way they want him to, and how when he doesn't he's suddenly the most hated Raptor outside of Vince Carter.

    You're all taking this crap way too personally. He's a friggin' basketball player. He's not even someone any of you know personally. Following basketball is one thing, but getting caught up in this crap just seems far too tiresome and pointless for my taste.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    You're all taking this crap way too personally. He's a friggin' basketball player. He's not even someone any of you know personally. Following basketball is one thing, but getting caught up in this crap just seems far too tiresome and pointless for my taste.
    This isn't a matter of taking it personal, we're fans and passionate fans have the right to be pissed off. If we didn't care, then we wouldn't support our teams. And without support these guys don't make a salary. (figuratively) So, I'm not taking it personal but like you I'm entitled to an opinion and my opinion is that Christopher shouldn't be categorized in the same breathe as Wade and LeBron and how he's handled this offseason so far is beyond ridiculous. I don't care if teams want to overpay for Johnson, Amare or Gay. That's their problem. The issue here seems to be that if Miami and these 3 guys want this idea to come to fruition, then someone's going to have to take one for the team because it just won't be feasible. Out of those 3 players, who warrants the smallest contract? Bosh

    Quite frankly, Bosh brought the attention to himself. Either way, he going to get paid so I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    This is amazing. First, most guys are jumping on Bosh for wanting to team up on a "Dream Team", now you're criticizing him for breaking it up. This goes back to my earlier thread about how Bosh is in a no win situation with fans.

    First, If Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay got the max, I can understand Bosh feeling slighted if he's expected not to get that.

    And if Bosh wants to get the maximum amount of money, who are we to criticize him for it? He's not hamstringing an entire franchise who won't be able to win with such an unwieldy contract. And if Bosh were truly committed to playing both Wade and Bosh, I'm sure he'd take less money. He's obviously not.

    Even more annoying than the way Bosh has been acting throughout this process is the behaviour of Raptor fans who seem to want him to act only the way they want him to, and how when he doesn't he's suddenly the most hated Raptor outside of Vince Carter.

    You're all taking this crap way too personally. He's a friggin' basketball player. He's not even someone any of you know personally. Following basketball is one thing, but getting caught up in this crap just seems far too tiresome and pointless for my taste.
    The way most Raptor fans want him to act is with a quiet and mature professionalism (nice Canadian traits!) while conducting this free agency period which all concede is a personal milestone in his professional career. Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay, Wade and even James have been circumspect and fairly to mostly muted publicly about their positions. Apart from the fact this is just good business practice when conducting contract negotiations it diminishes the prospect of attracting the type of fan reaction now on display. You may not like it but there is no accounting for the level of the fanatic in fandom! There is also the very real possibility that Bosh may have diminished his value thus hurting the Rap franchise in their quite reasonable expectations for some decent trade return.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knick...doWuYJELkPBzsM

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    This isn't a matter of taking it personal, we're fans and passionate fans have the right to be pissed off. If we didn't care, then we wouldn't support our teams. And without support these guys don't make a salary. (figuratively) So, I'm not taking it personal but like you I'm entitled to an opinion and my opinion is that Christopher shouldn't be categorized in the same breathe as Wade and LeBron and how he's handled this offseason so far is beyond ridiculous. I don't care if teams want to overpay for Johnson, Amare or Gay. That's their problem. The issue here seems to be that if Miami and these 3 guys want this idea to come to fruition, then someone's going to have to take one for the team because it just won't be feasible. Out of those 3 players, who warrants the smallest contract? Bosh

    Quite frankly, Bosh brought the attention to himself. Either way, he going to get paid so I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.
    I don't think any of those guys are on the same level as LeBron and Wade, but let's, for a moment, consider that it will be LeBron and Wade who are being "underpaid" and not Bosh who would be overpaid. There are enough guys who Bosh is better than or on the same level as making at or close to the max so that saying Bosh doesn't deserve it simply doesn't make sense. Quite frankly, NONE of them deserve it, but the fact of the matter is that those guys make that amount of money and the NBA has a hard salary cap for players, so guys like LeBron will never make market value. Unless the NBA changes the salary structure to a tiered system or some other system that takes out the market value of a player out of play, guys like Bosh are going to make the max and guys like LeBron are never going to earn (on the court) the kind of contracts they could.

    And apart from a few tweets here and there, I really haven't noticed an inundation of Chris Bosh except coming from the media. He's filming, yes, but has he gone on Larry King (oh, wait. That was LeBron) or overexposed himself in other ways? Maybe I haven't paid attention, but I find most of the Bosh hype is generated by rumours and the media. Not Bosh himself.

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    This isn't a matter of taking it personal, we're fans and passionate fans have the right to be pissed off.
    This may be true and is fine with me, but do fans have the right to be two-faced? Both Miami and Chicago can sign all three to max deals if they really wanted, so are we really feeling bad for them not being able to stack the deck even more just because it gives us another reason to hate on Bosh?

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    As to the likelihood of all three winding up in Miami, it is possible. But it would require at least one of the three players to give up a lot of money. The Heat have not cleared enough salary cap room to be able to sign two "max-level" free agents and to re-sign Wade, though it is getting closer.

    Currently, Miami only has three players under contract -- forward Michael Beasley, guard Mario Chalmers and swingman James Jones. Beasley is scheduled to make $4.962 million next season and Miami picked up Chalmers's option for next season earlier this month at $854,300. Jones is set to make $4.64 million next season, but only $1.86 million of that is guaranteed if Miami waives him by Wednesday. The two sides are working out some kind of arrangement, whether a straight buyout or something else involving deferred money, that would result in the Heat only being charged the $1.86 million figure on its cap for next season.

    If Miami reaches an agreement with Jones, the total amount of committed money for next season for the Heat would be $7.6725 million. At first glance, that would leave Miami -- if the league's projection of a $56.1 million cap for next season remains accurate -- with $48.4275 million in room, which would be enough to sign three players to near-max deals.

    But that's not how the cap works.

    Grab some coffee. A lot of numbers are coming:

    Teams that have fewer than 12 players on their cap when free agency begins are given "cap charges" for every free roster spot up to 12. The amount is what a minimum-salaried rookie would receive next season. That number is $473,600. So Miami would have to assign that amount per slot for at least nine players, because after waiving/buying out Jones the Heat would only have two players, Beasley and Chalmers, under contract. (The 10th player is Wade, who has his own cap hold. More on him below.) Multiply $473,600 by nine and you get an additional $4,262,400 that the Heat have to carry on their books until they start signing players. Added to the $7.6725 million Miami is already carrying forward and you get approximately $11.9349 million in salaries and charges Miami has to have on its books, leaving the Heat with about $44.1 million in room.

    Then there's Wade. Miami has to hold onto his rights even after he officially opts out, so that he can re-sign with the Heat under the "Larry Bird" provision of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. A Bird free agent that has gone through at least a second contract can maintain his rights with his team as long as it keeps a cap hold on him July 1. In Wade's case, given that he made more than the league average salary last season and because he's a "Larry Bird" free agent ending a contract after his rookie deal, he's subject to a different level of cap hold. For Wade, that would be 105 percent of his previous contract, which was $15.779 million last season. That means his cap hold on Miami's books is $16.568 million, until the Heat re-sign him. Then, the new figure would replace the $16.568 milliion. But until that happens, that $16.568 million is added to the $11.9349 million.

    But the whole notion of this Trio of Terror rests on Miami's re-signing Wade. Let's say Wade re-signs for the maximum he could get under the CBA, which would be 105 percent of his previous salary, or $16.568 million. That figure would replace the $23.66 million on Miami's cap. Added to the $11.9349 million, Miami would then have $28,502,900 in committed salaries for next season, and $27.5971 million in room to be split between James and Bosh.

    But James and Bosh are also on line for $16.568 million maximum salaries in the first year of their new deals. Wade would wind up with more money over the life of the contracts, however, because he would get bigger raises for re-signing with his own team (10.5 percent of the first-year total each season) than James or Bosh would get for signing with a new team (8 percent of the first-year total). If James or Bosh got the maximum he could, or $16.568 million of Miami's remaining room, that would leave only about $11 milllion for the other. Over the course of a five-year deal, the player taking the max in year one would wind up with about $96.1 milliion, while the player taking $11 million in year one would get about $63.8 million.

    For the sake of argument, let's say instead that James and Bosh agree to split the $27.5971 million right down the middle, leaving each with about $13.79 million in first-year salary. Over five years that would give each an approximately $80 million deal -- an incredible windfall, to be sure, but still $16 million less than each would get if he got his maximum salary over a five-year deal. (A sixth season would increase the deficit even more.)

    Of course, all three players could take less and split the available room, roughly, three ways, which would give each around $15 million to start next season.

    Thomas would not say whether Bosh or Wade would take less money in order to play with each other, or with James, next season.

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    I stuck to those - the rest 12 players and minimum-salaried rookies contracts.

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    There are two tragedies in life. One is not getting what you want and the other is getting it.

    Bron, Wade and Bosh created this hypestorm and now they are trapped in it. I don't begrudge any of them for how they handled this situation as it was truly unique and unprecedented, but I get the feeling they are all feeling the pressure of the 24/7 media blitz and the realization that no matter what decision they make they will be disappointing millions of people.

    If the three free agenteers all end up in Miami, what conclusion do we draw. Does that mean they picked winning because I'm not sold that you can win a title with only three players regardless of how good they are.

    I don't think Bosh is worth max money, but I also don't think the raptors should pay anyone other than an elite handful of players max money, its generally a suckers deal. That doesn't mean Bosh should take a pay cut either and he shouldn't be chastised for wanting what lesser player's than him are receiving.

    I think of the three Bosh is the one who should get the highest contract. Wade and Bron receive exponentially more money through endorsements deals than Bosh and if they were truly being egalitarian they would take the miniature pay cut and allow Bosh to assuage his ego when he very clearly possesses insecurities when it relates to his status in the conversation.

    A true leader sacrifices for the greater good of the team. We already know Bosh doesn't possess the leadership gene or a team first mentality, so its foolish and unrealistic to ask that of him now.

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    Quote Vellassco wrote: View Post
    I stuck to those - the rest 12 players and minimum-salaried rookies contracts.
    That writer had a few mistakes in an otherwise good summation.

    1) He made somewhat of a big deal out of Wade's cap hold, even though it's no different from what he will be paid, making it irrelevant. You can see he was probably explaining Wade's cap hold differently before correcting himself, because he writes "[$16.568 million] would replace the $23.66 million on Miami's cap." He was correct in the end about the cap hold simply being $16.568 mil, but you can tell he had previously thought it was 150% of Wade's 2009-2010 salary, which is $23.66 mil. Because the cap hold is $16.568 mil and Wade's first year salary is also $16.568 mil, much of his summation was extraneous.

    2) Yes, if they must keep Beasley and Chalmers, they would not be able to offer 3 max contracts, but that's hardly a mandatory limitation. All they have to do is find takers for Beasley and Chalmers, or have Cleveland and Toronto take them in the S&Ts. Throw in $3 mil cash to cover most of Beasley's salary if that's a concern, and/or if need be, an extra future draft pick to go through the trouble. Miami's roster is so gutted at the moment that gutting the remaining players is hardly a difference maker, and any one of the LBJ, Wade or Bosh would be more valuable than Beasley and Chalmers combined.

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    The question is still there. where are remaining 12 players -assume Beasley and Chalmers found their takers (CAVS and/or TOR)

    and what will their contracts be?
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    I'm sure they can get Iverson to play point guard.

    Now THAT would be an interesting team.

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