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    Default Marcus Banks Should Start

    There will be a lot of moves before the season starts, but I was curious what people thought of this. If Hedo is coming back and is actually going to be used as our primary facilitator, why not start Banks? He is a decent shooter in the midrange and an excellent defender and would be a much better fit beside Turk than Jose or even Jack since we don't want a pg out there that dominates the ball. If defense is our first priority and we already have a good defensive point guard why not put him out there?
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    Why dont we start Belli and resign Patrick Obryant then we could start:

    Banks
    Belli
    Khandor
    Obryant
    Albi

    We may win the D-league Chip within 3 years.....

    I like Banks and sure he is our best defender but you can never start your third best player at any postion it is bad for team morale and chemistry and it looks like the coach has lost it...

    Even if it is the right thing to do...which it isn't in this case

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    I think Banks is one of the most underated players. I don't think he would be good enough to start, but he should atleast get some more minutes.

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    Why dont we start Belli and resign Patrick Obryant then we could start:

    Banks
    Belli
    Khandor
    Obryant
    Albi

    We may win the D-league Chip within 3 years.....

    I like Banks and sure he is our best defender but you can never start your third best player at any postion it is bad for team morale and chemistry and it looks like the coach has lost it...

    Even if it is the right thing to do...which it isn't in this case
    If he is our best defender how is he the third best player? Defense is half of the game, and for us, is the more important half. Plus, it's not just about who's best, it's about who will compliment the other players. We don't need a play maker because they want Hedo to take that spot, so why not put the guy who can actually pay defense out there to try to stop the opposing PG.
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    I have to admit, I threw up in my mouth a little when I read the title to this thread.

    With Bosh gone and your option in place, our team looks basically like this:

    Banks, Demar, Turk, Bargs, Amir

    Compared to last year's team, we're leaving a LOT of points on the table and not getting much defence in return. Banks is decent defensively, but on his own he's not going to make much difference and he's not really fast enough to keep up with the best guards in the league.

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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    If he is our best defender how is he the third best player? Defense is half of the game, and for us, is the more important half. Plus, it's not just about who's best, it's about who will compliment the other players. We don't need a play maker because they want Hedo to take that spot, so why not put the guy who can actually pay defense out there to try to stop the opposing PG.
    Dude that is like saying Patrick Obryant is our best power forward/center becaue he is better at team defence the Andrea....

    look at it this way:

    Player ofensive rating defensive rating total ranking
    Banks 25 80 105
    Jack 65 65 130
    Jose 85 30 115

    not as simple as that but to say or to think Banks is or should start is crazy/laughable...

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    He's making almost $5m a year. I'd probably give it a shot. Why not? It's not like Banks has no offensive game at all... I think I'd call it highly exaggerated if you want to imply his offence is worse than Jose's defence. o_O

    If it turns out he's giving up too much offence, then you just go back to Jack and still run the offence through Turkoglu.
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    Dude that is like saying Patrick Obryant is our best power forward/center becaue he is better at team defence the Andrea....

    look at it this way:

    Player ofensive rating defensive rating total ranking
    Banks 25 80 105
    Jack 65 65 130
    Jose 85 30 115

    not as simple as that but to say or to think Banks is or should start is crazy/laughable...
    First off, Patrick Obryant is not a better defender than Bargs, not by a long shot. POB is too skinny to defend in the post and I honestly don't think I've seen him pay enough to comment on he help defense abilities.

    Where exactly is your ranking system coming from? Or did you just make up those numbers? The truth is that Banks is not that much worse than Jose or Jack on offense if all he has to do is make open shots and not turn the ball over and he is a far better defender than either of them. I agree that I would never suggest starting him if we weren't using Turk as our play maker, but if Turk is our guy out there Jack and Calderon's skill sets become redundant. Neither of them play well enough off the ball to make up for what they give up n defense and I'd rather have a guy that may never score more than 6 points a game but will make life difficult for the opposing point guard.
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    TS, are you drunk?

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    Let's not start this again.

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    Obviously something needs to happen soon or things will just get crazier around here.




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    Banks hasn't played over 16mpg since 2005-06.

    Last year he played in a total of 22 games and averaged 11 mpg

    He is now 29 years old

    I doubt that this guy can play more than 10 mpg on a regular basis.

    End of discussion

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    put it this way if banks starts this season, i will be watching more leaf games this season give me a break hes only as good as ur best bench warmer we dont need any more embaressments

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    Quote MaGIX wrote: View Post
    why not masturbate to your genius ideas
    great now i can't stop twitching my eye in irritated disgust.

    this whole thread needs to be deleted or closed.

    as that one guy said he can't play moe than10mpg per game. done
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    Marcus Banks and Start should never be used in the same sentence

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    i like marcus banks... during important games....

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    I'm really curious as to whether any of you actually have any legitimate reasons for not giving Banks a shot at being a defensive-minded, open-jumpshot-taking point guard. Legitimate concerns with not giving him a shot for ten, fifteen games at the start of the season.

    The way I see it, the Raptors:

    a) aren't trying to win it all this year (so it's okay if it doesn't work out)
    b) have a lot of players to develop, but none at the PG spot (so why not shore up the defence and limit the number of touches the PG will take away from said developing players)
    c) suck at defence and could use the boost (so the team doesn't get blown out as many times and the young guys can play some real fourth quarter minutes)
    d) are paying Banks ~$5m this season in the last year of his contract (if it does work out, he has more value than just another expiring contract; teams might want him for their stretch run without having to commit past this season)

    Help me see the actual downsides other than Banks sucks, it'll never work.

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    I'm really curious as to whether any of you actually have any legitimate reasons for not giving Banks a shot at being a defensive-minded, open-jumpshot-taking point guard. Legitimate concerns with not giving him a shot for ten, fifteen games at the start of the season.
    1. Banks has more value as an expiring contract to dangle as trade bait.
    2. Banks averaged 11 mins playing time per game last year, less than half that of the other two guards.
    3. If we're rebuilding, simply IGNORING the PG position to give Banks a shot seems like a bad idea.
    4. As a 3 pt shooter, Banks has the worst % of all three current PGs... so he's actually not very GOOD a perimeter shooter.
    5. While he's played against opposing benches, there's no reason to believe he'd be particularly effective at defending opposing starters.

    Ultimately, the case for Banks was made that a) he's a better defender and b) he's a good perimeter shooter.

    Well, statistically he's NOT a good perimeter shooter (.292 vs JC at .398 and JJ at .412)... and given that he's been defending against bench players and not starters, there's no convincing evidence he'd be any better at keeping up with them than the other two.

    Don't get me wrong. I think Banks has been a good footsoldier. But being a good footsoldier doesn't automatically make him good enough to be a starting NBA PG.

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    Nobody said he was a good three point shooter, just has a good jumpshot. You're allowed to take that closer than 23 feet, you know. Banks shot well everywhere except from three, albeit with a very small sample size. Above average finisher at the rim (69%+ in his last three seasons), 57% from 16-23ft and virtually no sample size from <10ft and 10-15ft (but 80%, 50% respectively).

    How is how many minutes he played in previous years anything but a fact? You can't extrapolate anything from this. In response to #3, again, it's not like I'm advocating handing him the PG spot for the entire season. There is no point guard to develop for Toronto; let him handle the spot and see how well he can defend and shoot open jumpers/finish off cuts to the rim.

    He can basically play Mario Chalmers' role, who people apparently want from Miami. Huh? There's just nothing to lose by allowing him to play ~25 minutes a game for the first ten, fifteen games of the season. I'll believe that until shown otherwise.

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