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Thread: OFFICIAL: Bosh Signing With Miami (No Sign-and-Trade?)

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    BC can sign Bosh for 5 yrs and then trade him. I guess at that point it's a trade off between nothing and maybe Chalmers, Beasley and a TPE.

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    I told you that Riley is a snake! He looks like Gordon Gekko for a reason!

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    How about we sign him. Then just not trade him at all... let him sit on bench. If we go down he should go down...

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    Quote Rouge wrote: View Post
    How about we sign him. Then just not trade him at all... let him sit on bench. If we go down he should go down...

    I JEST JA!
    For those who think this is actually possible...

    "Under the sign-and-trade rule, the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract which stipulates that the contract is invalid if the player's rights are not traded to the specific team within 48 hours."

    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

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    If I were BC, I would rather do a S&T, even if it meant taking Beasley back. Just because the Raps took Beasley in a trade, doesn't mean he ever has to play here - he can be traded again or waived. I am sure some teams out there would like Beasley, if for nothing other than his expiring contract.

    Personally, I think getting Beasley & Chalmers & Raps 2011 #1 pick & TPE would be a good return, especially if the Raps were able to unload any of Calderon/Turkoglu/Evans/Banks in the process.

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    BC can sign Bosh for 5 yrs and then trade him. I guess at that point it's a trade off between nothing and maybe Chalmers, Beasley and a TPE.
    Why would Riley offer ANYTHING?
    Bosh has already committed to Miami, sixth year or not.
    Miami (according to Woj) is shopping Chalmers and Beasley to Portland for Miller and Fernandez.
    They have no reason to give up picks.
    They have no motivation to take on the extra burden of a higher contract.

    I can't think of a single rational reason why Riley would do a S&T at this point.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    If I were BC, I would rather do a S&T, even if it meant taking Beasley back. Just because the Raps took Beasley in a trade, doesn't mean he ever has to play here - he can be traded again or waived. I am sure some teams out there would like Beasley, if for nothing other than his expiring contract.

    Personally, I think getting Beasley & Chalmers & Raps 2011 #1 pick & TPE would be a good return, especially if the Raps were able to unload any of Calderon/Turkoglu/Evans/Banks in the process.
    You guys are assuming the Raps have any bargaining position. They don't.
    Bosh has already agreed to go to Miami whether he gets the money or not.
    Why would they give ANYTHING up?
    What possible motivation does Riley have to make this happen?

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    Quote geebee wrote: View Post
    Why would Riley offer ANYTHING?
    Bosh has already committed to Miami, sixth year or not.
    Miami (according to Woj) is shopping Chalmers and Beasley to Portland for Miller and Fernandez.
    They have no reason to give up picks.
    They have no motivation to take on the extra burden of a higher contract.

    I can't think of a single rational reason why Riley would do a S&T at this point.
    You're right. If Bosh is willing to take only 5 years, then there is no reason to do a sign and trade for Riley. However if Bosh is a class act (and he was up until he got mixed up with Twitter and FA Bonanza), he will give the Raptors the option of a Sign and Trade. In which case we should get our first round pick back.

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    Quote Marz wrote: View Post
    You're right. If Bosh is willing to take only 5 years, then there is no reason to do a sign and trade for Riley. However if Bosh is a class act (and he was up until he got mixed up with Twitter and FA Bonanza), he will give the Raptors the option of a Sign and Trade. In which case we should get our first round pick back.
    That's a big "if".

    If Bosh just announced on national TV that he's going to Miami no matter what... then the person holding all the aces is Riley. Now, I don't know the man personally, but I don't get the idea that Pat Riley is in the habit of being a softie.

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    The only s&T even remotely possible is beasely and a TPE...bc the TPE doesn't cost Miami anything...and beasely because Miami would love to get rid of him.

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    Quote geebee wrote: View Post
    Why would Riley offer ANYTHING?
    Bosh has already committed to Miami, sixth year or not.
    Miami (according to Woj) is shopping Chalmers and Beasley to Portland for Miller and Fernandez.
    They have no reason to give up picks.
    They have no motivation to take on the extra burden of a higher contract.

    I can't think of a single rational reason why Riley would do a S&T at this point.
    True, the only motivation is to take back Miami's leftovers. But if another team takes them the Raptors are screwed pretty much. Let's see how much Bosh is willing to leave on the table. I don't care what they say to Wilbon.

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    Quote mattscottnelson wrote: View Post
    The only s&T even remotely possible is beasely and a TPE...bc the TPE doesn't cost Miami anything...and beasely because Miami would love to get rid of him.
    Woj on Yahoo Sports is reporting that the Heat are negotiating with the Blazers to swap Chalmers and a pick for Fernandez. Riley isn't likely to give away either Chalmers or Beasley if he can trade them for parts.

    Besides, even if Riley WAS willing to give something to the Raps, it would mean taking back the max deal for Bosh and he's got no reason to do that.

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    True, the only motivation is to take back Miami's leftovers. But if another team takes them the Raptors are screwed pretty much. Let's see how much Bosh is willing to leave on the table. I don't care what they say to Wilbon.
    MAYBE if Toronto were willing to accept Beasley and NOTHING else, Riley would do it... if he had no other takers for Beasley. But if he can move Beasley, there's no reason to give anything to Toronto.

    And forget the pick... no way in the world Riley gives up a 1st rounder in exchange for an extra salary load that he isn't obligated to take.

    Any way you slice it, it's over.... If you're BC, what POSSIBLE motivation can you offer Riley to give you anything of value?

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    Unless some terribly crazy behind the scenes sh*t went down, I can't see why Bosh wouldn't - at the absolute very least - consent to a sign and trade that netted the raptors nothing but a TPE equivalent to whatever contract he's gonna take from Miami. It doesn't effect Miami one lick whether they sign him outright or take him in a trade for nothing but cap space.

    At the very least, it would be pure insanity for the Raps to not get at least a TPE.

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    Let him walk. We don't need Beasley or Chalmers, draft pick would be nice but not necessary.

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    ...and the timing of the announcement being just before LeBron's (as suggested by Statement) might be a play to convince Lebron to go to Maimi and all three will take less money or they in fact have made the deal already. The three of them apparently had a conference call yesterday so this might be in the works for the presser LeBron is having...this may have been in the works all along.

    Gotta say Bosh suggesting nothing was going on this morning via Tweeter and Wade thanking Miami this morning (insinuating a goodbye) were major prick moves to add to the many before that...can't believe how much respect these clowns have lost in such a short time.

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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    Unless some terribly crazy behind the scenes sh*t went down, I can't see why Bosh wouldn't - at the absolute very least - consent to a sign and trade that netted the raptors nothing but a TPE equivalent to whatever contract he's gonna take from Miami. It doesn't effect Miami one lick whether they sign him outright or take him in a trade for nothing but cap space.

    At the very least, it would be pure insanity for the Raps to not get at least a TPE.
    Well, Bosh has already announced publicly that he's going to Miami, max contract or not.... so right there Riley has no reason to deal.

    However, let's entertain the TPE: Actually it DOES affect Miami because, although they wouldn't be giving up anything, they WOULD be taking on the extra cost of a max contract for Bosh, when that money could be better spent on a supporting cast. No. Riley has no reason to do that.

    Riley has no reason to do anything... and Bosh just made it Riley's decision.

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    The other potentiality is that Bosh told the Heat, i'll definitely sign with you, so long as you offer this, this and this to TO. He could get that verbal agreement, then go on TV and say what he pleases. He could have worked something out, is what I'm saying. Of course that's wishful thinking.

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    Quote geebee wrote: View Post
    You guys are assuming the Raps have any bargaining position. They don't.
    Bosh has already agreed to go to Miami whether he gets the money or not.
    Why would they give ANYTHING up?
    What possible motivation does Riley have to make this happen?
    Too create more cap space

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    Quote Nick wrote: View Post
    Too create more cap space
    How?
    If the Heat can move Beasley and Chalmers plus picks to other teams for players, then they have no reason to give Toronto anything.

    ... and taking on a max contract for Bosh doesn't create more cap space.

    If Riley can't pawn him then MAYBE he offers Beasley and a TPE, but that's it. He has no reason to do anything else.

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