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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Amir when asked whose team is the Raptors now that Bosh has left said. "It is the fans team"

    Based on that statement I think that MLSE should give the $15 million back to season ticket holders in 2010-11
    That statement also just inspired our next run of RR t-shirts: a print that says "Amir Johnson is my Homeboy".

    As much as BC would support and thus validate your "TPE-sharing" suggestion (it would cover the annual subscription free for RaptorsTV for every Raps fan in CDN - sorry Buddha), it would amount to committing the most sacrilegious sin imaginable to MLSE.

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    im really happy this got done and we got an extra pick
    now we will have our second round pick this year

    wait... can someone tell me what we traded to Dallas for Alabi?

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    Quote Dr Hannibal Lecter wrote: View Post
    Sign & Trade Bosh 2 Maimi...

    Raptors receive

    TPE 16 million
    1st Round Pick(Ours that we traded in Jermaine O'neal/Shawn Marion Deal)
    1st Round Pick(Minesota Timberwolves)...I believe they swaped in Micheal Beasley deal...that would be sweet if we get Minesota Timberwolves pick..always pretty good pick.
    You know. This is actually better than what the Raptors got for Vince.

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    Quote INFO wrote: View Post
    im really happy this got done and we got an extra pick
    now we will have our second round pick this year

    wait... can someone tell me what we traded to Dallas for Alabi?
    Actually no. Our 2011 2nd round pick goes to Detroit (Delfino trade, which has effectively been two 2nd rounders and Roko Ukic for Amir Johnson and Sonny Weems).

    We traded a different 2nd round pick along with cash considerations to Dallas for Alabi.

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    Glad they got their own #1 back. This is a good return considering the alternatives.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    You know. This is actually better than what the Raptors got for Vince.
    Hm, let's compare:

    Carter for Mourning, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, 16th overall 2005 pick, 20th overall 2006 pick

    Bosh for $15 mil TPE, Toronto's 2011-2014 non-lottery pick or 2015 lottery pick and Miami's 2011 first-round pick.

    Miami's 2011 first-round pick is not as good as the 20th overall we fetched, but the difference between the 20th overall and a late-20 to 30 first round pick isn't that big. I really don't think we're getting the one that was swapped with Minnesota. If anyone is getting that (and if it's an actual swap and not a right to swap), it would be Cleveland. Advantage: Carter.

    If we made the playoffs, it would be barely, so the pick we got back would be a wash with the 16th overall we got in the Carter trade. HOWEVER, since there's always a chance that we could be a lottery team in 2015, I'd take our pick back over the Carter 16th overall any day. And no, it doesn't matter that it used to be ours, as many people have complained; even if O'Neal for Marion would have been a wash 1-for-1, our protected first and 2010 2nd round pick was to make up the ~23 mil difference in total salary Miami took off our hands (and that's *with* Banks). Advantage: Bosh.

    ~$15 mil TPE vs Mourning and the two Williamses? Well, aside from the $12 mil in 2004-2005 salary, and that we basically spent cap space and salary on Mourning to play for the Heat, even if we don't use the TPE credit this would come out to a win. Advantage: Bosh.

    Considering we traded Bosh with little leverage, and traded Carter when we had all the leverage (two and a half years plus player option remaining on his contract), there's no question the Bosh deal is better than the Carter deal by a mile.

    Situation-wise, I think we are also better off now than back then. I'd take Calderon and Turkoglu's $73.3 mil in long-term salary obligations over the $107.2 mil we owed in long-term obligations back then to Jalen Rose, my favorite Raptor Alvin Williams (I love him but he only played 1 game for the last 4 years of his contract), Alonzo Mourning who we could not even trade since we bought him out, Lamond Murray and Aaron Williams. The expiring contracts of Donyell Marshall, Eric Williams and Eric Montross are a wash with this year's Reggie Evans, Marcus Banks and Marco Belinelli, but Jack, DeRozan, Weems, Davis, Alabi, Johnson and Bargnani sure look better than Rafer Alston, Morris Peterson, Chris Bosh, Matt Bonner, Pape Sow and Rafael Araujo going forward (especially knowing now that Bosh will leave us for very little).

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    I said on the other thread, this is actually better than what the Raptors got for Vince, and that wasn't a sign and trade It could actually end up being much better depending on what they get with the trade exception. It sounds like Colangelo might try and get another draft pick or something like that with it. It might be something to wait to use in the next draft to maybe move up.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    It might be something to wait to use in the next draft to maybe move up.
    Exactly what I was thinking.

    The 2 first rounders are better than nothing and ideally they will enable the Raptors to get even younger, more athletic and more skilled.

    I have no idea about the potential strength of the next draft but if we have enough assets to move up to a top 3 pick and get our next great player then I don't mind BC holding onto the TPE til then. No need to rush things now.

    Of course, I have no idea what the looming lockout will do to next year's draft. Maybe college players stay in school another year instead of heading to Europe to play. Or does the NBDL keep going if the NBA doesn't. Hmm..

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    I believe That BC received all the assets that were going to be made available. I don't fault him on how this all went down.
    I can certainly appreciate the "rebuild" sentiment, I do like our young core.
    From BC statements about not tanking the season however, I believe he would be looking to utilize the TPE now. There seems to be a lot of ($$) value in these TPE's being generated presently, that has to reduce their value and the opportunity to use them.

    I would think that he would be in discussions with the Nuggets for a S & T for Kleiza. We would get back our MLE. Could that portion of the TBE be trasferred to Denver for them to use.

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    Can the TPE be traded in whole or in part? If so, then this could be used in a number of ways. One would be to trade it to a top team that is angling to get a top talent that might be out of Toronto's reach. For example, say the Mavs or Lakers or Magic or the Knicks or NJ want to trade for Chris Paul, they can't do it without sending back the equivalent salary. Instead, could they trade for Toronto's TPE to make it happen?

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    Quote Bouncepass wrote: View Post
    Can the TPE be traded in whole or in part? If so, then this could be used in a number of ways. One would be to trade it to a top team that is angling to get a top talent that might be out of Toronto's reach. For example, say the Mavs or Lakers or Magic or the Knicks or NJ want to trade for Chris Paul, they can't do it without sending back the equivalent salary. Instead, could they trade for Toronto's TPE to make it happen?

    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

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    FYI - A must read news article about the trio's signing is posted in the discussion thread on the Let's NBA forum board. Direct Link.
    Last edited by James Ballswin (Realizar); Sun Jul 11th, 2010 at 03:21 AM.

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