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    Maybe we should have traded the TPE for Tyreke Evans or Stephen Curry...

    Come on.

    Have you heard of looking a gift horse in the mouth?

    Be pleased we just dropped our two longest contracts and our two worst defenders, and gained flexibility in 2011-2012.
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    What do you guys have against Belinelli. He's a 24 year old SG who can shoot, pass, handle the ball, run the offense, drive and play defense. Yes, he's inconsistent, but it's definitely worth keeping 1 more year until his contract expires to see if he can put it together. He's currently he most skilled SG the Raptors have and his playmaking skills will be needed more than ever now that Turkoglu and Calderon are on their way out.

    I certainly hope it's either Banks or Evans that are going. Their losses would be felt and you're not going to end up regretting trading either of them.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    What do you guys have against Belinelli. He's a 24 year old SG who can shoot, pass, handle the ball, run the offense, drive and play defense. Yes, he's inconsistent, but it's definitely worth keeping 1 more year until his contract expires to see if he can put it together. He's currently he most skilled SG the Raptors have and his playmaking skills will be needed more than ever now that Turkoglu and Calderon are on their way out.

    I certainly hope it's either Banks or Evans that are going. Their losses would be felt and you're not going to end up regretting trading either of them.
    I am a big fan of Beli but my problem with him is that he does not realize that his fade away 3 shots with the defender in his face are killer for his game.

    If Beli took little more conservative shots, then he would be a great addition to any team. Right now, he is just too inconsistent to get minute.

    Hope he can change the way he plays but I have a feeling that he will not which is too bad. He has a great court vision.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    What do you guys have against Belinelli. He's a 24 year old SG who can shoot, pass, handle the ball, run the offense, drive and play defense. Yes, he's inconsistent, but it's definitely worth keeping 1 more year until his contract expires to see if he can put it together. He's currently he most skilled SG the Raptors have and his playmaking skills will be needed more than ever now that Turkoglu and Calderon are on their way out.

    I certainly hope it's either Banks or Evans that are going. Their losses would be felt and you're not going to end up regretting trading either of them.
    I may be wrong about this, and I'll understand if people disagree with me, but my problem isn't just that Beli is inconsistent. It's that he's a shoot-first guy AND he's inconsistent. Last season, it killed me watching players like Wright and Beli kill rallies by deciding they were going to play the hero.

    Barbosa can offer everything Beli can, as well as the work ethic he picked up from his friend Nash in Phoenix. If we can spare a 2, and we can, I'd rather lose Beli and keep the strong relationship DeRozan and Weems have built.

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    Any chance that Triano tries to give Belli some minutes at the PG spot? We all know he shows some stretches of good passing and the ability to run the pick-and-roll, so if Triano can somehow harness this and limit his "hero-shots" then he and Barbosa can split some of the back-up PG duties. Thoughts?

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    Quote JYFelony wrote: View Post
    Any chance that Triano tries to give Belli some minutes at the PG spot? We all know he shows some stretches of good passing and the ability to run the pick-and-roll, so if Triano can somehow harness this and limit his "hero-shots" then he and Barbosa can split some of the back-up PG duties. Thoughts?
    Could Happen, depends on how Bellinelli shows up to practice everyday. Every sign points to Bellinelli getting rare minutes this year but if he just impresses all the coaches during practice/injuries to either Weems or DeRozan would also give him a chance. Its really either up to him or luck if he plays at all this year.

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    Like Tim has mentioned, Belli is still young at 24 and he has the necessary tools to become a great role player. Yes, he may be inconsistent but it looked to me that he tried to force his offense with the limited playing time. I say give him one more year and more PT then it'll be fair to be more critical of his game.

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    Quote Raptor Cowboy wrote: View Post
    What exactly do you think a trade exception gets you? It gets you a player that teams are willing to salary dump.
    how is that relevent to my post about boris diaw not being anything like lamar odom...

    show me where i said anything about the TPE or go back and learn how to read

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I love this trade from a salary perspective, but view it as a temporary solution personnel-wise, which I am fine with. My only concern is that the Raps would be left with 4 SGs (DeRozan/Weems/Barbosa/Belinelli) and just 1 legit PG (Jack), unless they plan to use Barbosa as the backup PG... more deals in the works??
    I think Barbosa is more than capable playing back up PG. Remember how effective he was as backup to Nash until Dragic came.

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    Wow. Colangelo criticism has to be placed in neutral. Finally, some moves that make sense. Excellent. Why couldn't he have done something like this least year? Two guys who defend and rebound and a high octane combo guard for the bench... AND he has the TPE still to use.

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    My thoughts long-term:

    Raptors have Chandler expiring this year for $13 million and Diaw, Barbosa and Belenelli for about $20 million next year.

    Depth Chart

    C Chandler
    PF Barganani
    SF Diaw
    SG DeRozan
    PG Jack/Barbosa

    Bench

    C/PF Johnson
    C Alabi
    F Kleiza
    F Davis

    F/C Dorsey
    SG Weems
    SG Belenelli
    PG Jack/Barbosa

    1. I'm thinking that Colangelo has to either flip Chandler before his expiring is up or sign him long term.

    2. Need to acquire an elite guard with the TPE.

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    Default the BIG deal - what is missing

    Depending on how Dwayne Jones' years of service are calculated he is due as much as $990k. From what I can tell:

    9.80 .. Turkoglu
    FOR
    7.10 .. Barbosa
    0.99 .. Jones

    Total $8.09 * 1.25 = $10.11 (so this trade works)

    9.00 .. Calderon
    5.08 .. Evans
    0.99 .. Jones
    FOR
    12.75 .. Chandler
    9.00 .. Diaw

    Total $15.07 * 1.25 = $18.84 (short $2.91 so trade doesn't work)

    Where are the missing salary$ coming from? Is it as simple as $3 million cash from the Raps to the Bobcats?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I didn't watch Bobcats games but I've watched many Suns games and a player doesn't change over night but the system may not fit him. Do you remember a guy named Hedo Turkoglu?
    defensively boris isnt that good...
    its not like in phx he was a good defender... if anything in charlotte larry brown tried to teach him how to be a better defender and just couldnt.

    i dont see how the hedo turkoglu referece is relevent here but to answer your question yes i remember hedo as well as some of the other players who played for the raps last season ?

    your point ?

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    BTW, although this trade is failing the trade-checker, once you consider the Suns' TPE, it works:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=2eqfrjr

    In this case the Raptors would not have to use their own TPE.

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    Quote Coojma wrote: View Post

    1. I'm thinking that Colangelo has to either flip Chandler before his expiring is up or sign him long term.
    Why? He's playing for his next contract and he buys them a year to see how quickly Davis can develop.

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    http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/

    D. Smith says it's all one deal so that may change some things. But just leave that to BC and his staff to figure out.

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    Default Nothing matters

    Its a long season, players come and players go... some suck some excel.

    Hedo came in -- things didnt work out as everyone wanted now he's out.
    Wether the guys are good or sucky will depend on various things..

    1) System being used
    2) Team Chemistry
    3) Coaching Staff
    4) 100 and 1 other things need to go right... TAP Water, FOOD, night clubs..etc..

    A season can get impacted simply by the waterboy getting sick. So many things have to go right for the team to excel... and everyone is part of it.

    The best thing we should hope for is that everyone gets along and has the same vision and goals.... see MAT BONNER ... he did well in Spurs system of play. So can Hedo with the suns and So can Diaw or anyone else with the RAPTORS...
    ...Its about soo many things going right.

    THE END

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    I’m very sad of seeing Jose leave. He was, as a fan metioned somewhere Mr Raptor. He played his hole career here, is the leader in assists, a team guy, an excepcional playmaker and more important, a player who wanted to play for the Raptors.
    Remember that without Jose, Amir Demar and Sonny won’t have the same impact as last year. He is a facilitator and a great peace around the young players

    The most logical option was to trade Jack with Barbosa being a combo guard who can play along with Jose in the backcourt at the same time (as everybody expected from jack).

    I don’t like this move at all. It’s clear now, we’re rebuilding. Sad day Raptors fans

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    Quote Mess wrote: View Post
    Why? He's playing for his next contract and he buys them a year to see how quickly Davis can develop.
    The op may have a point. I just posted the possibility of a flip to Houston on the mainboard . Chandler was wanted by them last week during the 4 team discussions re: the Bosh s&t.

    ps...Chandler is a C and Davis a PF.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/player/...chandler/71155

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    I don't really get the Jose trade. If Hedo is traded and Barbosa is added to the raptor roster (which make Jack redundant) why not trade Jack instead of Jose?

    We have a young team... which could lead to turnover prone (and our young players don't have a good ball handling skills...yet) ...and Amir will be the first player to be sad that Jose is gone.

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