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    I'd like to see us take a shot at landing Gortat, but realistically there is nobody on our roster that Orlando would want.

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    Why are we even mentioning Dalembert and Chandler? Both were already traded to teams that want them in the past month.

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    Quote JYFelony wrote: View Post
    Nobody said there were rumours about NOH. This post simply asked who might be a good idea to go after, or look at, since the Chandler trade busted.
    Yah right, ever since that article was posted by Chisolm that says the Raps "NEED" Collison, people have been absolutely obsessed. Its ridiculous.

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    Quote jrdyck wrote: View Post
    Why are we even mentioning Dalembert and Chandler? Both were already traded to teams that want them in the past month.

    Dalembert was traded to Sacramento before the draft and at that time Cousins was still considered a lock at the 3rd pick. Now they have a really crowded front-court with Cousins at the 5, Landry at the 4, and Thompson and Dalembert off the bench. It'll be hard to give Dalembert
    consistent minutes since they wanna develop Cousins. If Sacramento are open to receiving our expiring deals(Evans or Banks), then i'm all for it.

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    Please stop the New orleans talk. That will never happen in a million years that trade. Paul makes 14-15 mil and cal. makes 10 mill with the kicker. 25 million on point guards when they have as good a pair of point guards that costs 17 million. The most likely big man that i can think of is Joel Pryzbilla. Portland has three quality centres but what do they want from us?

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    Quote IceeeD wrote: View Post
    Dalembert was traded to Sacramento before the draft and at that time Cousins was still considered a lock at the 3rd pick. Now they have a really crowded front-court with Cousins at the 5, Landry at the 4, and Thompson and Dalembert off the bench. It'll be hard to give Dalembert
    consistent minutes since they wanna develop Cousins. If Sacramento are open to receiving our expiring deals(Evans or Banks), then i'm all for it.
    Spot on. Sac definitely has an issue now that they have Cousins. I think Dalembert would be a great fit and be TONS more relief than Chandler would have been for Bargs.

    I've also always loved Hawes (haven't followed his situation after being traded by Sac) and I think Beidrins would be a great add. Runs the floor well, and when healthy is a great defensive presence. I think the fact that he plays defensive is why he fell out of favour with Don Nelson in the first place :\

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    I think Pryzbilla is a free agent actually. I thought of him, he's not the answer for the Raptors long term and I don't know what his demand around the league would be. Plus he was injured at the end of last season and I haven't heard any updates on him.

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    The Raptors already have a center. Bargnani. No one has yet been able to make even a reasonable argument why Bargnani is not a center. Now if you're talking about getting a replacement for Bargnani, then I'm all for that.

    Quote dagon420 wrote: View Post
    Uhhh, calderon and jack was a complete failure last year, so unless you want another shitty season you gotta trade one of them. Plus dont forget you have barbosa.
    Yes, Jack and Calderon were so much of a failure last season that they ran one of the best offenses in the entire league. If your logic holds true, the Raptors have to trade every single member of the Raptors.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Yes, Jack and Calderon were so much of a failure last season that they ran one of the best offenses in the entire league.
    .... and one of the worst defences in the history of the NBA.

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    Quote Raptor Cowboy wrote: View Post
    Spot on. Sac definitely has an issue now that they have Cousins. I think Dalembert would be a great fit and be TONS more relief than Chandler would have been for Bargs.

    I've also always loved Hawes (haven't followed his situation after being traded by Sac) and I think Beidrins would be a great add. Runs the floor well, and when healthy is a great defensive presence. I think the fact that he plays defensive is why he fell out of favour with Don Nelson in the first place :\
    I agree with you 100%. We all liked Chandler and the idea of him coming here because of his expiring deal and the fact that he complements Andrea Bargnani, but if you compare him with Dalembert, I would give Dalembert the edge because they both have expiring deals at about the same price, but I think Dalembert can stay relatively healthy compared to Chandler and can also complement Bargnani's game.

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    Quote JYFelony wrote: View Post
    I'd like to see us take a shot at landing Gortat, but realistically there is nobody on our roster that Orlando would want.
    There were. Otis offered him to you for Hedo but BC declined. He refused him to land another under size combo guard to here. Now Toraps have 1 pg, 3 combo guard. There is still lots of TE out there and no defensive center left behind at the market.

    I think Raps will struggle (if Jose leaves), you will have 3 slasher pg (Jack, LB, Banks) with their limited court visions you will have no flexibility to play different styles but just run and gun. I'm admitting It will be fun to watch them (just like last year Bobcats and GS). I guess it will give you fresh air esp after too many years with soft slow Europeans, you will be watching athletic spring chickens jumping over here or there.

    Its better have fun now and wait for new dominos falls at next trade deadline
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    Quote Vellassco wrote: View Post
    There were. Otis offered him to you for Hedo but BC declined. He refused him to land another under size combo guard to here. Now Toraps have 1 pg, 3 combo guard. There is still lots of TE out there and no defensive center left behind at the market.
    Source? Let me guess, unnamed?

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    Quote IceeeD wrote: View Post
    Dalembert was traded to Sacramento before the draft and at that time Cousins was still considered a lock at the 3rd pick. Now they have a really crowded front-court with Cousins at the 5, Landry at the 4, and Thompson and Dalembert off the bench. It'll be hard to give Dalembert
    consistent minutes since they wanna develop Cousins. If Sacramento are open to receiving our expiring deals(Evans or Banks), then i'm all for it.
    Amen to that. Unless Sacramento thinks they can compete in the West with their line-up, they might as well make some room for heavy minutes for Cousins. Dalembert would be a solid addition for us.

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    Quote Mess wrote: View Post
    Source? Let me guess, unnamed?
    You will see his face at espn, nba front pages in next couple of days.

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    Quote geebee wrote: View Post
    If I might ask, who says Colangelo was necessarily looking for a centre? He's been stacking the team with big men, and there's no point to keeping all of them. Has it occurred to anyone that this was less about getting Diaw / Chandler and more about moving Calderon?

    It's not like another team is going to trade PGs with us. Wouldn't it seem reasonable to stock the team with marketable commodities in the hope that we'll be able to use one or two of them (and our PTE) to get a solid starting PG?

    Safe bet we don't need seven bigs. I think BC was just moving the undesirable pieces, and the acquisitions would come later. IMO anyway....
    A voice of reason? What are you doing here? Unrealistic answers only please

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    Pryzbilla is under contract with Portland for one more year. He's going to sit on the bench and lose value behind Oden, Camby. I think he's a good fit with Toronto if they want to move bargni to the 4. If not leave it the way it is Amir, Bargni with Davis, alabi and evans backing them up.

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    Did the Bobcats backed out of the deal because they didn't like Calderon's defense? or his trade kicker? And is there still a chance that we can trade him for Diaw straight up since their salaries match?

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    Quote JYFelony wrote: View Post
    I think the answer that most people will be turning towards now is one that has been mentioned by a few ppl on here, that is: Collison + Okafor for Calderon + Banks/Evans. Something along those lines will not only provide the Hornets with some financial relief after this year, but with a suitable back-up for CP3. However, with the limited financial relief obtained with an expiring (Banks/Evans) comes a fairly long-term financial commitment with Calderon.

    For the Raps, we get a defensive minded Center in Okafor (albeit slightly undersized) and a PG of the future in Collison. No there are no rumours floating out there about this possibly happening, but it seems to be something Raps fans are hoping for.
    The idea that any deal not involving either equally serviceable players, youngsters or draft picks would be of interest to New Orleans is silly (and I'm not attacking you, JYF, but all New Orleans-Toronto trade ideas I've seen so far).

    Let's agree first on what New Orleans will want to achieve:
    Goal #1) Stay competitive while reducing salary obligations; or
    Goal #2) Reduce salary obligations and rebuild around cheap, young talent.

    Lets also agree that whether a trade is a good idea should depend on the other team's needs being fulfilled first. Discussing how the trade helps our Raptors is a waste of time if it can't pass the first test.

    In a Calderon + Evans/Banks for Okafor + Collison deal, New Orleans takes on more salary in 2010-2011, a bit less in the two years after, and loses Okafor's 4th year entirely. While it may seem attractive financially, this year is probably a bigger concern than 2013-2014 since the trade moves the Hornets towards the luxury tax level (if not further into it), and aside from Okafor, the Hornets don't have much salary committed in 2013-2014. Peja's bad contract comes off the books this year, Posey's comes off next year, and Chris Paul is potentially gone after 2011-2012 as well. If the Hornets surpass the luxury tax level by even $1 mil, that will cost them an additional ~$5 mil ($1 mil in a dollar for dollar tax, and ~$4 mil from the luxury tax distribution they would otherwise get if they stay below the luxury tax level).

    Then there's the matter of which goal this trade fulfills. I think it's pretty clear that it makes them drastically less competitive, which adds to the case for Paul leaving, and if Paul leaves, would you rather rebuild around Calderon or Collison? No, if they want to rebuild, they'll keep Collison's super affordable contract and try to move Paul et al. If I was New Orleans, I would only move Collison if it got rid of Okafor's contract AND I get some combination of cheap, young talent or draft picks, or if I get players that can help New Orleans get back into the playoff picture and hopefully convince Chris Paul to stay. Trading away the team's arguably best asset for financial relief but without either staying competitive or driving the rebuilding process along just leaves you in limbo.

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    Quote IceeeD wrote: View Post
    Did the Bobcats backed out of the deal because they didn't like Calderon's defense? or his trade kicker? And is there still a chance that we can trade him for Diaw straight up since their salaries match?
    Who knows. First, everyone up to the GM level approves of the trade, then MJ doesn't approve of the trade, then Brown never approved of the trade, then Brown doesn't want to part with Chandler, then Chandler gets traded for Dampier (who might just be cut entirely, and the other two are scrubs not worth mentioning), then Brown apparently wasn't very fond of Chandler anyway.

    And if it's a Calderon for Diaw, 1 for 1 deal, do we have as much incentive to make that trade now? We're either shoddy at the 1 or shoddy at the 3, and I don't know about you, but I only liked the Chandler/Diaw acquisition because it would have given us potentially pretty good defense almost all-around. Davis/Johnson/Chandler/Dorsey/Alabi could all just play hard D, Diaw's not a shabby defender at the 3, and Bargnani could be moved for a different asset. I may be part of the minority here, but I think Calderon is good for the youngsters (Amir would benefit from Calderon more than from Jack, for instance), and the upgrade Diaw would provide at the 3 would not be worth trading Calderon for. We save on one year of Calderon's contract, but come on, its just one year.

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    we have a 7'1 center, yes he needs some development time but we have a center. the chandler trade would have been good because it was a expiring contract but it was a hard deal to make happen.

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