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Thread: Michael Grange: Raptors Trying To Trade Jose Calderon For Roy Hibbert

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    From the Globe & Mail Print Edition only:

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    Calderon for Hibbert? Didn't we just trade away Hibbert in the JO deal a couple years back? Seems rather lopsided, but does have an entertainment aspect to it as Ford and Calderon would be reunited.
    Center Roy Hibbert Injures His Right Knee

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    Indiana Pacers center Roy Hibbert injured his right knee in an international game and will be evaluated this weekend. The team said it believes the injury is minor.

    Hibbert was playing for Jamaica against the host Dominican Republic on Tuesday when he injured the knee on a play that observers say didn’t appear serious. He was traveling Friday back to Indianapolis to have an MRI sometime this weekend.

    “He slipped on the floor and hurt his right knee,” said Jordan Olivo, who works for a website that covers basketball in the Dominican Republic and saw the play. “I don’t think it’s serious. I think (the MRI) is more for precaution.
    http://www.hoopsnotes.com/2010/07/ce...is-right-knee/

    Maybe BC and Triano are coming to the conclusion that Ed Davis is a lot more of a project then they were led to believe when they drafted him. Personally I think they got sold a bill of goods on him. From what I have seen of him so far in the LVSL he has a long way to go before he can be a positive Net contributor in the floor come November. Of course he still has three more games in the LVSL and October to show that has enough game to warrant serious rotation minutes come November.
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    I don't understand why BC is trying so hard to move the Only real play maker in this team now and NOT trade Jack at this point !

    As far as Hillbert goes, a useless trade if you ask me and it is just a salary dump for us. there will be more players involved and I wonder who they are .

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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    why not kevin durant, russell westbrook, and 2 1st round draft picks for jose ?
    Dude, I stated right off the top that I knew Calderon wasn't enough, but that it would be worth exploring to find out what it would take. Just because most Raps fans are sick of Calderon and his contract, doesn't mean that he doesn't have value to other teams. Looking at Granger, he is a SF that is signed for 4 yrs/$50M, on a team that just drafted their SF of the future (Paul George). I am sure there are Indi fans out there who would be just as happy to unload his contract as most Raps fans are to unload the contracts of Calderon and Turk (thank god that one is done). It can't hurt exploring, especially if Indi is as hot for Calderon as the rumors make them out to be. Relax, I just floated an idea.
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    Who was the GM that game Ford that big contract ? Was it Bc ?

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    Dunno why people are down on Hibbert. He's played two seasons. Still just a kid, and hardly played in year 1. It'd be nice to have a guy who can protect the rim.
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    We need a big that can handle a little and can knock down a short jumper with some consistency, seems like all our bigs are raw defense/rebound guys. If thats the case our wings need to take it to the hole more or we're just gonna see the regular jump shooting raptors of old once again.

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    Quote yertu damkule wrote: View Post
    this makes perfect sense...it continues a new tradition of re-acquiring assets that were unnecessarily traded away in the first place.

    i dunno what to think of the actual rumour (i won't call it a 'deal')...obviously more pieces would have to be involved (from the pacers, or a 3rd team) to make the $$ work. just skimming their roster, the only guy who MIGHT be obtainable and who i'd actually like to have on the raps is price (and i'm fairly 'meh' on him) - obviously, granger is the carrot, but they aren't trading him.

    guess is the pacers are trying to unload dunleavy or murphy (though i'm not sure why, they're both big expiring contracts), and for some reason, might be willing to part with a decent actual big man (who plays like an actual decent big man) to obtain a decent PG (are they that starved for 'decent' PG play?). maybe calderon & evans for hibbert & dunleavy?

    they can't think we'd take back ford...right? even he's an expiring. they actually don't have any big contracts after this season (save for granger). hmmm...seems like they're planning for the future or something...which makes it really strange they'd entertain dealing hibbert. i can't see this happening.
    Dunleavy and Hibbert for Calderon and Evans.

    I'd do it in a heartbeat.

    Dunleavy is an expiring and they have a need with Turks gone at the 3 (I'll take a hurt Dunleavy over Turkolgu any day). He's not good enough to make a huge impact and his contract coming off the books is great. Hibbert is average and would be a decent backup which would ensure Davis and Johnson get playing time and force Bargs to defend better when he's on the court. They might look to start Hibbert but he's not a no-brainer to start like if Chandler was here.

    I thought the deal for Chandler and Diaw might make the Raps a little too good (I mean medicore good instead of medicore bad) and take time away from the young players but this deal would suit me fine as it would ensure young players are playing, Bargnani doesn't have instant protection so he can't continue with his laziness and we'd lose enough to get a HIGH draft pick, not to mention an expiring deal off the books after the season is done.

    Works for me.

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    If this trade rumor is legit and BC has started to make a deal with Indiana
    then Calderon for Dunleavy and Hibbert works

    We get an expiring contract in Dunleavy and a good young big man in Hibbert
    The salary's work after the Turk trade

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=29agzud

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    I remember Hibbert shutting down Bosh last year.
    At least he plays D, unlike Caldy.

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    http://www.hoopsnotes.com/2010/07/ce...is-right-knee/

    Maybe BC and Triano are coming to the conclusion that Ed Davis is a lot more of a project then they were led to believe when they drafted him. Personally I think they got sold a bill of goods on him. From what I have seen of him so far in the LVSL he has a long way to go before he can be a positive Net contributor in the floor come November. Of course he still has three more games in the LVSL and October to show that has enough game to warrant serious rotation minutes come November.
    c'mon, man...ed davis has ALWAYS been considered a project, why are you making up the idea now that anyone thought any differently? and considering this is the first 'real' basketball (term used lightly) he's played since mid-Feb., maybe we should cut the kid a touch of slack.
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    if this is true it would seem to me that BC's MO is to find a team thats owned & run by a fomer NBA star & seee if they can be FLEECED! LOL i mean come on how much could they know about being a GM when they spend there life being a player right! i think we may be able to do a little better then hibbert but unfortunatly in a calderon trade we could also do alot worse realisticly. if we could some how get granger involved in the deal it wouldnt be so bad either. it still frustrates the hell out of me that Babcock drafted Joey Graham instead of Granger!!! but then again drafting Bargnani over Brandon Roy looks alot worse at this point LOL
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    Dondadda are you stupid. Bargni averaged 17 points a game and brandon roy average 22 points a game. bargni is two years younger then Roy. Joe Graham averaged 7 points a game and Granger averaged 24 points a game. So how the F_ck do you even compare the two . I'm tired of stupid statements from raptors fans and your statement is as stupid as it gets.

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    unfortunatly Frank ur the one that sounds stupid! Babcock should have drafted Granger instead of Graham! both are SF & Granger is far better!!! BC Drafted Barg's #1 overall. at the time we already had an allstar PF. & lacked a Star SG since VC checked out!! bad move again!!!!! the effect that the two players would have had at the given time is greatly more lopsided then the numbers show aswell.granger had issues when drafted thats why some teams passed but has turned it around. Roy is far better then Barg's will ever be!!! having a Allstar SG like Roy next to Bosh Instead of Barg's "Priceless"thats my point Thank You for ur Useless Input!!
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    woah guys calm down =|

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I would love to see the Raps somehow acquire Granger/Hibbert for Calderon & ???, which I think would be an even better trade than the Diaw/Chandler trade that fell through.

    With Dunleavy & George, it does potentially make Granger expendable, but obviously Calderon wouldn't be enough in return. I wonder if a Calderon/Evans/Miami's 1st round pick for Granger/Hibbert/Ford would be enough? Indiana would get rid of Ford's contract, get a 1st round pick and save almost $24M over the next 4 seasons, on top of getting the PG they apparently covet to run the offense for their young team. Toronto would get a great SF, a backup C and would either buy-out Ford or use his expiring contract in another trade (I am assuming).

    As an FYI, comparing the salaries of Calderon & Granger, Granger is signed for 1 more year and will cost approx. $20.7M more over the next 4 seasons, according to figures on Hoopsworld.

    Potential Lineup
    C: Bargnani / Hibbert / Alabi
    PF: Johnson / Davis / Dorsey
    SF: Granger / Kleiza
    SG: DeRozan / Weems / Belinelli
    PG: Jack / Barbosa / Banks
    wouldnt even dignify this with a comment.

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    Tinsley's contract could be included... Followed by a buyout? Even with his contract included there would still need to be another player involved. Jeff Foster and Roy Hibbert together would work... Or they could use part of the TPE.

    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Maybe BC and Triano are coming to the conclusion that Ed Davis is a lot more of a project then they were led to believe when they drafted him. Personally I think they got sold a bill of goods on him. From what I have seen of him so far in the LVSL he has a long way to go before he can be a positive Net contributor in the floor come November. Of course he still has three more games in the LVSL and October to show that has enough game to warrant serious rotation minutes come November.
    Or maybe this has to do with the fact that the Raptors are in need of a traditional backup center and Ed Davis is a PF who is still filing out?
    Last edited by Apollo; Wed Jul 14th, 2010 at 03:34 PM.

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    Dondadda, I'm just frustrated with the stupid comments. Yours isn't as stupid as the NO guy who keeps recommending the Collison trade. Roy averaged 21.5 and Bargni 17.0 points plus bargni is a year and half younger and big guys mature later. Graham averaged 7 points a game and granger averaged 24 points a game. Your numbers don't work and give me some stats to back up your arguement.

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    So is it Hibbert and Dunleavy for Jose? That would be a great deal for us if that's the case.
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Tinsley's contract could be included... Followed by a buyout? Even with his contract included there would still need to be another player involved. Jeff Foster and Roy Hibbert together would work... Or they could use part of the TPE.
    I think Tinsley was already bought out last year, he played for Memphis....

    I dont think theyd throw in both big men to get a PG, i think Dunleavy/Hibbert for Calderon/Evans plus a little TPE would work.

    Not sure why everbody is down on HIbbert, he averaged almost 2blks last season, he was a slightly below average rebounder but it was mostly because Murphy clogged the paint playing at PF, plus hibbert shared minutes with Foster.

    I think a Hibbert/Bargs/Kleiza front court would be good enough.

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    Quote Frankthetank wrote: View Post
    Dondadda, I'm just frustrated with the stupid comments. Yours isn't as stupid as the NO guy who keeps recommending the Collison trade. Roy averaged 21.5 and Bargni 17.0 points plus bargni is a year and half younger and big guys mature later. Graham averaged 7 points a game and granger averaged 24 points a game. Your numbers don't work and give me some stats to back up your arguement.
    Yeah, who's that guy who kep insisting on Collison? He's worst than Buddha's man-love for Amir

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