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    Say hello to the Raptors new starting SF. Sure, it seems like a lot of money for him per year but we're talking a two year term. This is excellent. Now they need to find a back up center and maybe an upgrade at PG.
    Dee Brown ? Bobby Brown ?

    Roy Hibbert ? Okafor ?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Say hello to the Raptors new starting SF. Sure, it seems like a lot of money for him per year but we're talking a two year term. This is excellent. Now they need to find a back up center and maybe an upgrade at PG.
    Don't be so sure that he will be starting.

    He can defend but he can't shoot worth sheet and Kleiza is a far better shooter and scorer.
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    On a sign and trade it allows BC to use some of the TPE.

    Orlando signs Barnes and trades him to the Raptors for the TPE.
    I do not think Orlando can sign Barnes. There are no bird rights. I believe another team has to sign him. I don't see how this is over yet.

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    I just hope that BC won't overpay to get this guy too.....

    I bet most teams are offering close to 3-4 million per for 3-4 years but watch the Raptors go for the big 5.
    if i were you id bet on the lottery coz you just nailed it!

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Don't be so sure that he will be starting.

    He can defend but he can't shoot worth sheet and Kleiza is a far better shooter and scorer.
    He shot 48% from the field last season. He won't be in the starting five for offense anyway. He'll be in the starting lineup because he rebounds the ball well and plays defense. The guy averaged 5.5 rebounds in only 25 minutes last season. If he does that in Toronto it partially alleviates the Bargnani rebounding deficiency.

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    I do not think Orlando can sign Barnes. There are no bird rights. I believe another team has to sign him. I don't see how this is over yet.
    They must have his Bird rights. Only one team can do a S&T, the team with his Bird rights.
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    The deal, which is scheduled to be finalized on Tuesday, will pay Barnes nearly $10 million over the next two seasons, according to sources close to the process.
    Second year may be Player or Team option

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5393637
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    He shot 48% from the field last season. He won't be in the starting five for offense anyway. He'll be in the starting lineup because he rebounds the ball well and plays defense. The guy averaged 5.5 rebounds in only 25 minutes last season. If he does that in Toronto it partially alleviates the Bargnani rebounding deficiency.
    Actually his career shooting numbers are about the same as Kleiza. We shall see how it works out in camp. Either way he is a plus to the team as is Kleiza.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Not sure how this can be a sign and trade. Because he signed a 1 year contract with Orlando, they didn't have his Bird Rights, and I'm pretty sure they used up most of their MLE. On the other hand, it has to be a sign and trade since Toronto doesn't have anything left.

    It looks like its happening somehow, though. I think it's a fine pickup. Not great, but fine. I like his defense and grit, but he's not a young guy, so doesn't really do anything towards the rebuilding effort.
    Apparently you can S&T your own free agents even if they've been renounced... as per Mr. Larry Coon. Who knew?

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    Best signing yet IMO I was hoping Barnes would be signed here, now all thats missing is a legit center...Any word on Roy Hibbert or was that just a random rumour? I know he isnt a legit center but it was an interesting rumour
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    They must have his Bird rights. Only one team can do a S&T, the team with his Bird rights.

    I don't think he played long enough in one place to earn Bird rights (3 years?)
    Last edited by James Ballswin (Realizar); Tue Jul 20th, 2010 at 02:48 AM. Reason: Corrected quotation by adding the source.

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    The Raps seem determined to have one true starter (Andrea) and a bunch of "sixth men", 20 minutes a game rotation guys.

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    Quote raptor-raj wrote: View Post
    The Raps seem determined to have one true starter (Andrea) and a bunch of "sixth men", 20 minutes a game rotation guys.
    The team was built around Bosh, BC is using one summer to do what he can, not to mention we have 2 first round draft picks next year. Its all on Triano to make a system that works now. I also think BC isnt done this summer yet I assume Calderon is still and an asset to be traded plus the two expiring contracts

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    The Raps seem determined to have one true starter (Andrea) and a bunch of "sixth men", 20 minutes a game rotation guys.
    I think what BC and Triano are trying to do is build a 48 minutes a game up tempo team.

    The Raptors may have the pieces in place to play a lot of three quarter court pressing for good part of the game trying to create havoc on the defensive end to take advantage of their athletic players.

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    The Raps seem determined to have one true starter (Andrea) and a bunch of "sixth men", 20 minutes a game rotation guys.
    You need to have assets first before you can upgrade.

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    The Raps seem determined to have one true starter (Andrea) and a bunch of "sixth men", 20 minutes a game rotation guys.
    That's been Colangelo M.O since he got here. He can never find a true NBA starter so he fills up the roster with a bunch of borderline starters and hopes for the best. Its sad that the goal from year to year is to make the playoffs instead of at least tanking big for one year and getting a top draft pick that could make this franchise good.

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    Default Gortat coming too? I hope so!

    The deal would be perfect if Orlando included Gortat in S&T; Orlando is 20 millions into luxury tax territory and they could definitely dump some of that money.

    Hopefully it is something like Evans + D. Jones + 4.5 million - TPE for Gortat and Barnes;

    Then we'd be looking at a Raptors team that would have a chance to make the play off;

    Bargs/Gortat/Alabi
    Amir/Davis/Dorsey
    Kleiza/Barnes
    Derozan/Sonny/Bellineli/Barbosa
    Jack/Calderon/Banks

    Orlando is doing this because it's a money saver, around 11-12 millions including the luxury tax and the flexibility to get the 4.5 million TPE in case they need to go after a big time player later on.

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    Barnes should start over Kleiza at SF- thank goodness. Makes the Kleiza signing(which isn't official yet) the more puzzling. That money could have been used on a quality Center or PG. It'll be interesting to what the S&T of Barnes and possiblly Kleiza will manifest plus to see BC's next moves after these 2 are finalized as Calderon has to go(and Bargs should as well in my mind).

    Currently Raptors look something like this:


    C: Bargnani/Dorsey/DJones/Alabi
    PF: AJohnson/Davis/Evans
    SF: Barnes/Kleiza/Weems
    SG: DeRozan/Barbosa /Bellineli
    PG: Jack/Calderon/Banks

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    Quote SirChillyMost wrote: View Post
    Barnes should start over Kleiza at SF- thank goodness. Makes the Kleiza signing(which isn't official yet) the more puzzling. That money could have been used on a quality Center or PG. It'll be interesting to what the S&T of Barnes and possiblly Kleiza will manifest plus to see BC's next moves after these 2 are finalized as Calderon has to go(and Bargs should as well in my mind).

    Currently Raptors look something like this:


    C: Bargnani/Dorsey/DJones/Alabi
    PF: AJohnson/Davis/Evans
    SF: Barnes/Kleiza/Weems
    SG: DeRozan/Barbosa /Bellineli
    PG: Jack/Calderon/Banks
    You have 16 players. Teams are only allowed 15.
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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    You have 16 players. Teams are only allowed 15.
    You are restricted to 15 players only when season starts ... since then, you can have as many as you wish.

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    You have 16 players. Teams are only allowed 15.
    I know this Sherlock. The Rap's have in theory 16 players under contract when you include both Kleiza & Barnes since these transactions aren't official we don't have the full sign & trade particulars of each player. Also, the Raps may send out Banks, Evans, Bellinelli, DJones and/or TPE in the S&T w/ Barnes(*Kleiza?). Until then this is what it is- the off season and the Rap's have 16 players under contract for sake of argument. If you feel otherwise- fair enough.

    Btw- It's not unusual for NBA teams, in the off season, to have more than 15 players under contract as all the contracts most likely aren't fully guaranteed- do the full math not the half for a quick internet laugh, homie.

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