Because it generates hits. Who cares if the story falls flat? Credibility is no longer a premium in this industry. So long as you're "close enough", you're fine.Tim W. wrote:
Because it generates hits. Who cares if the story falls flat? Credibility is no longer a premium in this industry. So long as you're "close enough", you're fine.
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You kidding me? How do you expect the Young Gunz to get any better when there's nobody pushing them within the team? Barnes is for surely a nut job, but this is exactly the kind of guy we need to instill some attitude into this team. Its sounds to me like your completely writing the capability of these young guys off, but they could very well be the biggest surprise in the league. If BC pulls off a Barnes signing, wow! But ya your right lets get robbed of our dignity, pile up a terrible season, maybe get a good draft pick, and show our young guys that we don't care about winning. Cool.
i wasn't talking about you specifically, but i guess if the shoe fits...
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i dunno, i guess i figured they'd push each other. if they're relying on a guy who'd be a) playing for his 8th team in 9 years, & b) is insane to provide adequate motivation, they've got bigger issues.
i'm not totally averse to the IDEA of a matt barnes - i like what he brings to the court - but there are simply too many question marks around him that it doesn't make sense for this team RIGHT NOW. barnes is a cog in the wheel of a contending team, not a rudder for a rebuilding one.
yes, they could. but that would/could be the case with or without barnes.
you're right - WOW! how exciting, all these moves, all these new players. it sure ain't boring. WOW! i wonder if laker fans are complaining about how boring a summer kupchak has provided them?
uh, that ship sailed a while ago.
we're well on the way...
that BC trades away...
so, the way to show they 'young guys' that they care about winning is to remain a perpetual treadmill team? you think they aren't aware of how teams that intend to truly compete are built? you think they don't look around the league & see that the teams that compete/contend year-in & year-out are the ones that practice stability & patience?
look, i really don't have much issue with obtaining barnes for what amounts to nothing. i just don't think anyone should believe that he's some kind of tonic that will make them an actual competetive team. if he does come to TO, it's for the $$, and it's likely to be on a short-term deal, so he's going to be looking to maximize his opportunity to earn one last decent contract. on a contending team, that's not a big deal, but on a rebuilding one, it is.
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[Sigh] Can you imagine if All The President's Men took place today? It would take about five minutes.
"You've got an unnamed source telling you the President's involved in the Watergate break-in? Let's print it!"
Actually, the value of printing that in an era like today where everyone can do some pretty crazy research, is that there would probably be 500 investigators who'd want to be the first to bust out with legitimate info. So, rather than leaving the investigation in the hands of two reporters, by cracking the story before there's really a story, it gets a significantly larger number of people involved in the investigation.
To continue, i can see two immediate outcomes of this. The first is that more people would become more knowledgeable about the Watergate break in. The second is that there would not be as much credibility in whatever "final reports" were produced. This may have lead to a reality where Nixon might not have been compelled to step down.
One final thought: the idea that Nixon stepped down kinda allowed for "closure". Nixon stepping down, scandal over, everyone goes back to their normal lives. If he didn't step down, outrage continues, perhaps the future course of American politics changes and Jimmy Carter rides two consecutive terms riding a wave of anti-Nixon and anti-republican senitment. Reagan doesn't get his two terms, Bush Sr. loses his eight years of vice-presidency, and in general, world peace is declared.
Either that or the Soviets capitalize on American disenchantment and we'd all be behind the Iron Curtain at the moment.
If Afghanistan and Iraq taught me anything in this day in age it's that really bad stories tend to get suppressed until there's no hiding it or somebody leaks information.
They get suppressed, but only in the mainstream. The biggest value of modern social media (coming from someone with no facebook page, no twitter account, and, truth be told, no cell phone) is its ability to get people ahead of the game, where, by the time when it comes that "there's no hiding it or someone leaks information," any admission comes way too late. Ie, the admission is not a revelation (like Nixon's bomb when he basically admitted he was, despite his cries to contrary, a crook), but a pressure release vale of sorts.
Social media will eventually bring us to a point when its no longer adequate for the powers to simply admit. they must begin processes of action or accountability.
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Nice bball ineptitude man, you must work for the Raps PR department.
not sure if that will work. but, i like the creativity ièm sure colangelo and his minions are reading over the rules®ulations several times trying to find different ways to get him for the best contract offer available.
i dont think you can rescind your free agent contract after its already completed. however, if ièm not mistaken you can restructure it so you could make kleiza re-sign for less and you would then have more of the mle to sign barnes.
or as i was reading from that article you posted about barnesgate they have a 2.7 cap exception from the turkoglu trade so if barnes would resign with orlando with a slary starting at his non bird right guarantee at 2 mill we could send that 2 mill. of the trade exception to orlando.
they could sign barnes outright for like the vets minmum but he wont do that because he wants to get paid.
im sure theres several more ways. itès all about bending and tweaking the rules
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oh for crying out loud hès a decent player and its not like its for 12 million a season for 5 yrs unlike the last 30 year old we signed(who was also the starting sf for orlando and turned out to be a mistake)this is diferent itès like 9 mill or prolly less for two seasons. he doesnèt work out this year hès an expiring(if we get him) next year and is easy trade bait lots of teams want him. but, those teams cant pay him what he wants
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So is the deal officially dead?
Glen Grunwald, where are you? (Yeah, I know...NYC)
Or how about Tom Penn, the current cap-oligist guy on ESPN...
Who knows what has really gone down behind the scenes. Maybe Barnes twittered his way to confusing things...maybe another team could be or always has been behind the scenes and could emerge in an expanded deal now...
...but why am I getting the vibes that the Raps may not have known what was or wasn't possible at the Orlando end?
Do the Raps have anyone who could be classified as a Penn/Grunwald type cap-ologist now? Do they desperately need one?
Update:
According to Doug Smith, "Barnes not likely to be a Raptor, after all"
LINK - Published at 10:04 PM
After Barnes said Monday he’d be playing with the Raptors next season, it’s becoming apparent his addition from the Orlando Magic is on life-support, if not entirely doomed.
Raptors president and general manager Bryan Colangelo did not totally dismiss the deal.
“We are out there aggressively stoking the fire and unfortunately we ran into some difficulty getting this done,” Colangelo said. “We remain interested in acquiring Matt but other teams are now in the mix.”
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Would this not be a sufficient workaround to get the S&T deal done?? I have read lots of ESPN experts' take on the salary cap situation with Orlando, regarding a S&T of Barnes as was originally reported... if my understanding is correct, I don't really see the big hassle holding this deal up.
I don't understand why the Raptors can't just do a S&T for a 4-year contract starting at the $1.9M max from Orlando, with the built-in maximum 8% increase each season. Toronto could do that contract with an unofficial "understanding" with Barnes that they would buy him out after the 2nd season, for an amont equal to what the 3rd & 4th seasons of the contract would be worth. Barnes would essentially make about $8.5M and only play 2 seasons in Toronto, which is basically what the original planned contract was supposedly worth (2 yrs - $9M)...
Wouldn't that work??? Is there something I am missing???
http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineSt...21#STORY_27313Barnes Considering Five Teams
Posted: 7/21/2010 5:41:00 AM
Source: Marc Stein of ESPN
Five teams remain in the running to sign free-agent swingman Matt Barnes, according to sources with knowledge of Barnes' thinking.
Toronto is still one of those teams, sources told ESPN.com, despite the collapse of a sign-and-trade deal with Orlando that Barnes thought would be completed by now.
One source close to process said early Wednesday that Barnes continues to weigh interest from the Raptors along with the Cleveland Cavaliers and three title contenders he has been negotiating with since last week: the Miami Heat, Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Lakers.
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Come on Matt, take the starting gig. Toronto loves you.
cmon colangelo you worked your ass off to get turkoglu. now let's try to do some good and get barnes.Come on Matt, take the starting gig. Toronto loves you.
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