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    I can't see why the following - in skeleton - isn't a fantastic deal.

    Stojakovic & Collison for Jack, Weems & draft picks (if necessary to sweeten the deal. see below for why our draft pick next year become less necessary).

    We get our PG for the future, replace our TPE with an expiring contract and a temporary back up SF (hint: next year Thaddeus Young will be a F/A).

    NO gets huge salary relief, an excellent back up PG for Paul, and a great SG to backup Marcus Thornton. Weems can also play the SF to help fill the gap left by Peja.

    Raps:_________________Raps next year w/Young.

    Collison/Calderon______Collison/Calderon
    Derozan/Barbosa_______Derozan/Barbosa
    Kleiza/Peja____________Young/Kleiza
    Johnson/Davis_________Davis/Johnson
    Bargnani/Alabi_________Bargnani/Alabi

    If we got Young and kept the roster the same, we'd have an extremely athletic, hot shooting, driving & slashing team, with nearly everyone playing above average defense, and plenty of cap room. We'd have them all - with the exception of Barbosa - locked up for the long term, with Calderon & Barbosa being the oldest players on the team at 29 & 28, respectively. Among the rest, Kleiza would be the oldest at just 25. In other words, the Raps would be awesome and just dripping with potential.


    Hornets:

    31m in TPE. They gain almost limitless potential to adjust their roster during the coming season, as teams make their own adjustments when their season inevitably doesn't pan out the way they planned. They also clear a ton of salary, while getting two very talented players to solidify their rotation, as well as draft picks to augment if they aren't willing to do a straight up trade.

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    I'm a little confused as to your trade. If they trade Stojakovic and Collison, for Jack, Weems, & Draft Picks, how exactly do the Hornets get a $31M TPE? Also, given the cap was set at a value higher than originally expected, the Hornets are not that far away from getting under the tax (a little over $1M). They can shed it pretty easily without having to give up assets.

    As for the Raptors, why would we give up Weems and Jack for Collison? He's a back up PG that put up great numbers for half a season when CP3 went down with injury. He hasn't proven he can lead a team for a full season, and when he did lead the team it's not like they were winning a high % of games.

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    The 31m TPE would be in total for them (they have around 15m already). It wasn't an issue of them being under the cap specifically, just being in general in cost cutting mode. It would be akin to moving a player who they already want to move (Peja) for immediate financial flexibility and two excellent bench players, one of which has great potential.

    Why would I want Collison? Because he was a rookie who put up more points and steals than either of our veteran point guards, who dished out more assists than Jack, and who grabbed more boards than Jose. Also he's an excellent three point shooter, and is extremely quick. Again, the numbers he put up last year were as a rookie. At the moment, Collison plays as well as either Jose or Jack, yet he is much younger, more athletic and much cheaper then either of them. He would be fantastic to group with the Raps' young team as they develop over the next handful of years.

    The cap space it would give us going into next year would allow us to target pretty much any free agent out there. I mentioned Thaddeus Young as one we should go full out to try and get. There's also Marc Gasol. With the cap space we'd have by getting Peja (including our other expirings) we could realistically get both of them.

    Also, New Orleans weren't winning a high percentage of their games because New Orleans is simply not that good of a team without Chris Paul.

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    If they could get Collison in the deal then sure. Without him it's a big steaming pile of doody.

    I don't like the idea of Weems AND picks. One or the other please. I mean they get a big TPE and a very nice backup PG already.

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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    just dripping with potential.
    they'll be dripping with something else because that sounds like a waste.
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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    Why would I want Collison? Because he was a rookie who put up more points and steals than either of our veteran point guards, who dished out more assists than Jack, and who grabbed more boards than Jose. Also he's an excellent three point shooter, and is extremely quick. Again, the numbers he put up last year were as a rookie. At the moment, Collison plays as well as either Jose or Jack, yet he is much younger, more athletic and much cheaper then either of them. He would be fantastic to group with the Raps' young team as they develop over the next handful of years.

    The cap space it would give us going into next year would allow us to target pretty much any free agent out there. I mentioned Thaddeus Young as one we should go full out to try and get. There's also Marc Gasol. With the cap space we'd have by getting Peja (including our other expirings) we could realistically get both of them.
    Before I get into the stats game that you've laid out, I'm still failing to see how trading for Peja helps us in cap space. We already have it, whether we trade for Peja or not. We may have a little bit more of it because you took out Jack's contract, but that's about it.

    As far as stats,

    • Darren Collison's Defense Rating was the same as the career averages of both Jose and Jarret Jack (112).
    • Darren Collison's Offensive Rating (105) was MUCH worse than Jose's (119) and Jack's (