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  • Will Toronto Do Better As A TEAM With No Stars?

    There was an interesting bit of history on a SI post, talking about how the NBA used to be a league where low profile teams always beat Stars.

    Maybe Toronto will actually be further ahead next year with a Bargnani + Johnson/Davis + Kleiza/Weems + DeRozan/Barbosa + Calderon/Jack ... a team where nobody is "The Man", but all are capable, if they play as a TEAM.


    "The biggest impact of Jordan's success in Chicago was his creation of The Man. Before he came along, that title --The Man -- didn't exist in an admirable way. As a matter of fact, if you had someone who saw himself as The Man on your team, you probably weren't going to win the championship.

    In the 43 years before Jordan's title breakthrough in 1990, only once had a player ever led the league in scoring while leading his team to the championship. The only time it happened was in 1970-71 when Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (who at that time went by his given name of Lew Alcindor) led the NBA with 31.7 points while carrying the Milwaukee Bucks to their only title. For more than four decades it was a golden rule in the NBA that the highest-scoring players weren't winners. The Celtics lead the NBA with 17 championships, and they've proudly never had a player who led the league in scoring.

    In the pre-Jordan years, an NBA player could follow one of two roads: You could be like Wilt Chamberlain, whose scoring average ranged from 33.5 points to 50.4 points over his first seven seasons, but didn't win a championship until his scoring plummeted to 24.1 points as a 30-year-old with the 76ers in 1966-67; or you could be like Bill Russell, who averaged an unimpressive 15.1 points yet led the Celtics to 11 championships in his 13 seasons.

    The best players couldn't have it both ways in those days. You were either selfish or selfless, either a prolific scorer or a team player. Even Abdul-Jabbar spent much of his career hearing complaints that he was -- apart from his lone breakthrough with the Bucks -- too self-indulgent to be a dominant winner.

    Then along came Jordan to ruin everything. The Bulls won six titles and he was the NBA's No. 1 scorer for every one of those championship seasons. I always thought his legacy did a lot of harm to the NBA by setting an example that his descendants would try and fail to emulate. The NBA has spent the last decade-and-a-half searching for the next Michael Jordan, and it has been a colossally unsuccessful wild goose chase. He was one of a kind, the exception to the rule, and the NBA has made a huge mistake in attempting to hold other players accountable to Jordan's standard."

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz0uep5fq8x
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  • #2
    When you look at the best teams in the league they all have star power. The Raptors are a lotto team unless Colangelo pulls some trades and lands a guy like Emeka Okafor for example.

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    • #3
      Interesting thoughts especially on MJ at the end. However Toronto is still young and inexperienced...these two factors will impact exactly how this team plays against playoff bound teams and "super" teams i.e the Heat and Lakers. Over the next few years depending how exactly these players develop their games and if they do indeed reach their much hyped potential like Andrea and Amir, then yeah a team with no stars suddenly becomes dangerous especially if you let them grow together and pretty much suffer as a team and succeed as a team. But then who knows we may inadvertently draft the next superstar and become a team with a star leading the way, or we may already have one developing right now as we speak...

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      • #4
        If you look at the Raptors' "glory days" they had some young guys coming a long and then they made some smart trades for strong willed individuals with strong games. I think Okafor(he's on the market now) could be an Antonio Davis to DeMar's Vince Carter. I think Amir Johnson has a lot of the same stuff Keon Clark showed. Ed Davis may not be as mean as Oak but he's tough and he's got talent. If this Raptors team added a few key pieces, such as a true center, a tough defensive PG and a strong defensive SF they would be well on their way to making some noise in the style that was present in the early part of the last decade.

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        • #5
          yes, I think toronto will be better with no stars maybe not right off the bat but in the long run if this team thinks hard work and defense first everything will be good.

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          • #6
            No, They need a star in the team.

            I was looking at the USA practice game today. This was the top 20 player in the league minus the very elite stars such as Kobe, Bosh, Lebron, Wade, Amare and ...

            Raptor did not even have ONE player in that squad.

            Our YOUNG GUNZ are at best a dependable starter at this league. We are at the bottom of the NBA now with teams such as :

            Cleavland, New Jersey, Detroit

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            • #7
              Apollo wrote: View Post
              When you look at the best teams in the league they all have star power. The Raptors are a lotto team unless Colangelo pulls some trades and lands a guy like Emeka Okafor for example.
              u got to be kidding me right.

              in other threads u bash BC for making too many mistakes & this is your idea of a good addition! give me a break

              okafor sucks & his contract is worse then turk!!! only way BC even entertains the idea is if CP3 would be involved in the deal & thats not going to happen.

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              • #8
                DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
                u got to be kidding me right.

                in other threads u bash BC for making too many mistakes & this is your idea of a good addition! give me a break

                okafor sucks & his contract is worse then turk!!! only way BC even entertains the idea is if CP3 would be involved in the deal & thats not going to happen.
                AGREED! I thought Appollo was joking... until I saw his second post.

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                • #9
                  DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
                  u got to be kidding me right.

                  in other threads u bash BC for making too many mistakes & this is your idea of a good addition! give me a break

                  okafor sucks & his contract is worse then turk!!! only way BC even entertains the idea is if CP3 would be involved in the deal & thats not going to happen.
                  A guy who hasn't missed a game in three years, defends and posts a career 13 and 10 sucks? He will do more to earn his $11M salary this season than most guys making that around the league.

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                  • #10
                    "I think Amir Johnson has a lot of the same stuff Keon Clark showed." Except that AMir isn't a cronic marijuana user like Keon. Keon retired in INdiana so he can golf and get high. AMir is relentless worker who strives to get better. Keon wanted money and soon as he got some left. Okafar wouldn't be a bad pick up but would mean AMir and Davis get less playing time plus it would kill our cap space. If the raps feel fine using weems or derozan as back up three then I think we could get away with current roster. Let the young guys play. THe only reason Chris Bosh got so good was because he played alot and was aloud to play through his numerous mistakes. Let the young guys get better. Cheapest way to success

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                    • #11
                      Apollo wrote: View Post
                      When you look at the best teams in the league they all have star power. The Raptors are a lotto team unless Colangelo pulls some trades and lands a guy like Emeka Okafor for example.
                      Emeka isnt a star power forward not even close
                      ya dun noe

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                      • #12
                        I cant see us winning with no allstars but maybe we could do what the pistons did and 5 really good players and no allstars
                        http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=257sfru what do you guys think of this trade?
                        ya dun noe

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                        • #13
                          Apollo wrote: View Post
                          When you look at the best teams in the league they all have star power. The Raptors are a lotto team unless Colangelo pulls some trades and lands a guy like Emeka Okafor for example.
                          I say that you are wrong and that the team as currently constructed will make the playoffs.

                          However lets wait until October and see what the opening day rosters on all teams in the EC look like to see if you still want to make a losing bet #pause
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                          • #14
                            Apollo wrote: View Post
                            A guy who hasn't missed a game in three years, defends and posts a career 13 and 10 sucks? He will do more to earn his $11M salary this season than most guys making that around the league.
                            Apollo-Are you his agent?

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                            • #15
                              j bean wrote: View Post
                              Apollo-Are you his agent?
                              i think hes really Rob Babock!!!

                              Emeka Okafor is a PF trapped in a SF Frame is nowere close to being good & id say its an insult to antonio davis to say there alike.

                              whos next brett farve as our new starting PG LOL

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