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  • #46
    I think it's pretty clear what BC is saying.He just can't come out as strongly as the Cavs did due to our fragile recruiting ability

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    • #47
      If Bosh DID tank, then why all that energy and ... trying to sign him.

      Good question. Why would you want a player who in your eyes gave up on his team?

      BC keeps on feeding the masses.

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      • #48
        Shame on you Mr. Colangelo. It's not easy to build around Bosh? Yep, if you trade for scrubs like Hedo, aged players like Marion and pick guys like Bargnani(no problem with him, but the raptors could have done better right?) maybe it makes things a bit harder. Was there any other All-Star caliber player around in toronto the past years than Bosh? No! Marion, O'Neal were out of their prime. Can you criticize a guy, who has worked his ass of for 7(or say 6.5) years for basically nothing? For an average team, without perspective? (compare the young gunz+il mago to the bulls or even the nets) It makes me feel sorry. Obviously CB4 knew what he did.

        BC do your job and don't blame others.

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        • #49
          dirtymikeseaver: "And by his own admission, he talked about how Bosh changed after the all star break and how voices were in his head. Well, if he was a problem then, why not trade him? Why wait and see this scenario play out."

          Check your facts first and read other posts more carefully: trade deadline had already past. After the deadline, Bosh was in the driver's seat trade-wise and BC merely a passenger in the backseat reacting to whatever Bosh did.

          As the driver, Bosh said that he would keep the Raptors abreast of his decisions...fair play to an organization that has made you their star. Bosh's actions, however, contradicted his words as he chose to hold everything close to his vest, esp. during the week of free agency, thus putting the organization into scramble mode to figure out the myriad trade possibilities and scenarios out there rather than having more focused efforts on a smaller number of teams to work out the best deals for the Raptors...as Bosh had intimated.

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          • #50
            tbihis wrote: View Post
            hahaha raptor4ever, i think you just like playing the villain role, you want to join forces with sleepz and go against the world!
            Not At all. I am looking at this logically and not like a HATER. Plus, this is not against the WORLD .
            People around the NBA are much smarter than some of the posters here who are so eagerly buying the BS that BC is selling them.

            As I said, this will be over before the end of Nov, when the team starts 0-10 and the true face of BC will be clear to everyone.

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            • #51
              j bean wrote: View Post
              At the break the Raptors were playing great, were one of the hottest teams for the two months before the break and had around 30 wins. After the break the team had their winning spirit broken and things went downhill quickly. This coincided with Bosh having a noticeable change of demeanor along with not playing well when he did come back. I just can't point as much blame at the coach, other players or BC when it was Bosh who clearly stopped giving his all when the rest of the team was trusting and counting on him. There is a lesson to be learned from this that this years Raptors will benefit from.
              He played great in his first game back. They went into a slide because the rest of the team sucked and they didn't have him to rely on.

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              • #52
                sleepz: "If Bosh DID tank, then why all that energy and ... trying to sign him."

                what energy? as tbihis already said: "BC didnt even go to the meeting with bosh during his FA to convince him to sign. he sent mark everest. who? yeah. exactly."
                Last edited by Own Up; Tue Jul 27, 2010, 12:22 PM.

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                • #53
                  DirtyMikeSeaver wrote: View Post
                  I heard the interview and it felt... unseemly. It just felt like the GM was trying to pass of blame and talking about "Well, if this didn't happen and that didn't happen...". It really felt like The GM was saying "Hey, just had some bad breaks! Nothing I could do."

                  First off, no one was caught unaware of this. Jalen Rose, of all people, was screaming last offseason that there was no way Bosh would stay. There's been whispers that Bosh, Wade and LeBron was cooking something up since 2008 (Hell, since 2006!). The GM is supposed to have his pulse on everything and if he was truly hoodwinked by his employee, then I think that's says more about him than Bosh. And by his own admission, he talked about how Bosh changed after the all star break and how voices were in his head. Well, if he was a problem then, why not trade him? Why wait and see this scenario play out. The whole interview felt like The GM was just dry snitching.

                  I don't know whether or not Bosh 'tanked' the last half of the season (gun to the head, I would say yes and if he did, well, you can knock me over a feather, a pro athlete not giving his all 100% of the time on a .500 team, I AM SHOCKED), but The GM sold this team with the fact that if Bosh left or was injured, that they could survive that and it's pretty obvious that they couldn't and the team that The GM put together was flawed and THAT is on him. This culture of "Star Player Leave And The Team Subtly Throws Him Under The Bus" just seems... dishonest and more about covering his a**.

                  We talk about the loyalty that players should show to fans and to the organization, but these players quickly find out that there is no loyalty there. Fans give unconditional love and our emotions get run over when a player leaves and get played on when a player wants to re-up... but our love only extends on how hard they defend on the court or their 3 pt %. As soon as they have a 6-24 shooting game or an extended slump, we call for them to be traded or don't be resigned when the contract is up, no matter how much the player likes Toronto or wherever he is. Witness Reggie Evans, who name was being chanted in pre-season and throughout the season we waited for him to bring the 'toughness' this team needs... and as soon as 5 games in, there's were calls to bench him, as he 'didn't know his role' and 'was a liability on offence'. I mean, does anyone REALLY care what happens to him? Or Rasho? Or Marcus Banks? I 'hate' Jose Calderon as much as anyone, but all he's done is profess his love for this city and this organization and show a willingness to get better and play whatever role is set out for him, and The GM trades him away, get it's reneged and now he's unsure where he's going. If you were Jose, would YOU have any loyalty to this organization? Would it be easy for you to go to back knowing that they didn't really want you here, if they had their druthers? And don't give me the "He's making 9 million a year, he should be proffesional about it". He's still a human being, therefore flawed and we can't expect him to be a better person because The GM handed him a lot of money. Plus, we as fans, owners (looking at you Dan Gilbert) and GMs (looking at you David Kahn) don't have much perspective on these things, why should we expect players, who've been coddled all their lives and never had a 'real' job, to have this?

                  The bottom line is, I just feel like this has been a mass failure by the organization to do right by the fans and the star player. It's not like we, as fans, haven't gone through this before and after a time, it's time to stop blaming the players and for the organization to look at themselves and their philosophy. To go a radio station and say these things when you didn't do enough to take care of 'your house' and to not build a team to give enough of a basketball reason to keep you around beyond 'Hey, we can pay you the most!' just feels like a guy fighting for preservation of his own job. Everyone just come out looking bad.

                  (BTW, the funniest part of that interview was him saying that Linus Klieza was the best post up player that Toronto had. If that doesn't tell you how much trouble this team is in...)
                  ok, first of all, you cant make a trade just because a sportscaster starts spreading rumors that he believes you franchise player will not re-sign. you have to hear it straight from the horse's mouth as they say. bosh should have had the audacity to tell BC, hey, thanks for the 7 years but im not coming back next year.

                  personally, i dont think bosh tanked. and neither does BC. what he merely was saying that the supposed injury was not severe enough for him not to play. BC is saying that that time that bosh sat down was crucial for the team, and that it would probably have gone another way if bosh chose to play. if BC thought bosh tanked, he wouldve said that bosh never played his heart out since the beginning of the season, but he didnt say that.

                  i do agree with your point with the loyalty part, but that is not the issue here. the raps were loyal to bosh from beginning to end. they had a chance to trade him, but they didnt.they give him a max extension even though he never took this team past the 1st round. the raps did all they can, with limited resources and a so-so reputation to build a good team around bosh, and gave him input on who they should get. i mean when they let sam go, why did they get triano when there were a bunch more experienced coaches in the market? because bosh had a really good working relationship with triano. and bosh knows he can manipulate triano. it clearly shows how loyal the team was to bosh in this case, but i dont think bosh reciprocated it. i understand the whole "i got to do whats best for me" argument on bosh's part, but the least he could do was tell this team that he was leaving way before everybody did, a show of respect to a franchise that gave you everything in your 7 year career.

                  like i said, im siding with BC here. he did trades that bosh knew about (im sure he approved coz he didnt ask for a trade after those transactions were completed), the franchise did everything for Bosh and now BC is the one coming out as the villain.

                  btw, he said with the current roster, kleiza is the best post up player they have. he was just being honest. if he said calderon was the best post up player on the current roster, then that would stir you up even more huh?

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                  • #54
                    Yeah, you can, he gets paid good money to work his ass off, nobody is promised a championship

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                    • #55
                      sleepz wrote: View Post
                      He played great in his first game back. They went into a slide because the rest of the team sucked and they didn't have him to rely on.
                      This is a little silly, what's your point exactly? A team built around Bosh went into a slide because Bosh couldn't be relied on? If Nowitzki doesn't perform, what happens to Dallas? What about last year's Cleveland team that won 60 games with LeBron? Whenever you build around a player, when they're "off on their game" or injured, the team will struggle. Even the Lakers struggled without Kobe, and they still had Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum.

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                      • #56
                        sleepz wrote: View Post
                        He played great in his first game back. They went into a slide because the rest of the team sucked and they didn't have him to rely on.
                        i agree with you on this one sleepz, im not sure where colangelo got the part that bosh's head was not in the games after he came back from injury, he pretty much did the same things numbers wise. maybe he was referring to bosh not connecting with the other players on and off the court...who knows....

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                        • #57
                          Marz wrote: View Post
                          This is a little silly, what's your point exactly? A team built around Bosh went into a slide because Bosh couldn't be relied on? If Nowitzki doesn't perform, what happens to Dallas? What about last year's Cleveland team that won 60 games with LeBron? Whenever you build around a player, when they're "off on their game" or injured, the team will struggle. Even the Lakers struggled without Kobe, and they still had Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum.
                          +1

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                          • #58
                            So you are comparing him to guys like Nowitzki and LeBron and Kobe?

                            Aren't those 'franchise' guys?

                            A haven't seen a team 'built' around Bosh other than the one that won the division (the weak division).

                            There's a difference between building around or building with. Colangelo had his own vision and Chris was a part of it. He never completely built around Bosh, even though BC's gone to great lengths to argue this to the fans.

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                            • #59
                              If it was never completely built around Bosh then who was the other guy it was built around? Certainly wasn't Jose or Andrea. They've always been supporting cast.

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                              • #60
                                RAPMAN wrote: View Post
                                w/e man I didn't want us to make the playoffs anyways only to be swept in 4. Think about it this way, we got Ed Davis for nothing... one step closer to building a contender. Personally I am glad Bosh is gone (too bad we got nothing for him tho), with him we could only be a mediocre team, but now we can tank and get a real franchise player...
                                That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.. You saw how we played at the end of the first half of the season, we wouldn't have gotten swept. How is this one step closer when we're minus our franchise player in Bosh, what are we without him? A very much less than mediocre team. Tanking doesn't get us anywhere.. Franchise players don't come around every year like a lot of you think.

                                But the fact is, Bosh wasn't in it the second half of the season. Everyone knows it. BC's telling the truth, not trying to bash on Bosh.

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