Jack Armstrong in Fan590 today questioned and condemned BC for saying what he said about Bosh. BC is embarrassing himself these days by acting like bitter looser.
Sleepz your comments say you are a disgruntled RuPaul fan rather than a Raptor fan and by the way I forgot more about basketball that you know. Also I am not obsessed with RuPaul as you put it, rather I am pissed that morons continue to praise the dick and slam everyone else. He's gone and good riddance. What happened to his only wanting to be the MAN??
I just wish The GM would have gone on the radio and said something to the effect of "We can't look back, whatever happened happened and we have to look forward and I believe in the course we're taking and we have a clear vision where we want to be." Even if all this is true and Bosh was a tanker blah blah blah, this is still a team without a top shelf offensive threat, too many bad defensive players, too many point guards and too few options at the 3 and 5. He sounded like he was angry that he didn't sign with Houston or Chicago so he could get back more in a sign and trade (which was probably what he was banking on) so he decided to air his dirty laundry. Jack Armstrong made the best point. If Bosh had decided to come back, The GM and the organization would have welcomed him back with open arms and none of this would have seen the light of day.
You talk about "I forgot more about basketball that you know" and still refer to Turkologu as a shot creator? If you want to call him a shot facilitator you can but Turkologu is taking NO ONE off the dribble, not collapsing any defences, and then getting his teammates looks. Wade, Paul, Kobe, heck even Steven Jackson are shot creators, Turkolgu is definitely not. Don't overestimate your knowledge or underestimate mine.
The pieces that MLSE added were marginal at best (Turkologu, Marion for half a year, O'Neal, all average). As well they had a #1 pick and unfortunately did not get the best player in the draft. Hindsight is indeed 20/20 but facts are facts. Miami did have a better year than the Raptors cause Wade is a top 5 player in the NBA, and they had little roster turnover, played DEFENCE, and had better coaching and mangement. Tell me I'm lying.
I'm not a disgruntled Bosh fan, I'm just not an erratic delusional hater. Every GM and coach around the league disgrees with your opinion on the player but you hold steadfast. He decided he wants to go to a team and win so because he said he wants to BE THE MAN, I should hate on him like you did? His decision showed this wasn't the case, so doesn't this end your talk? Colangelo said he wants to bring championships to Toronto, but I don't see you hating on him for making this a non-desirable destination for real basketball players speaking his nonsense. Playing gimmick ball, running up and down the court trying to sell tickets through 3pt shots and scoring instead of defence and accountability is no way to win championships. I don't hear you saying a damn thing about giving #1 picks a free ride and not holding them accountable, when they proclaim their laziness. I can keep going believe me.
No one is praising anyone, just wondering where all the racist tinged hatred is coming from? You hear anything about noodles or pasta and it's racist and you're up in arms but your comments are all good and based on facts?
The dudes gone and you're still talking about him. Give it a rest and focus on the team you wanted for next year. Step to me anytime you have something ball related and i'll place you back in the rafters where you belong.
Calderon is a pg and anyone can tell you he's NOT a shot creator. He set-s up his teammates as a facilitator but is not a shot creator. Facilitating through pick and roll scenarios is not shot creating. Shot creators or at least ,how I know them to be referred as, are those players that can create their own shots and shots for others in man to man situations. Turkoglu is not that kind of player, neither in Toronto or was he in Orlando as his handles are not good enough and he is not quick enough to do this.
Taking your man off the dribble and creating a shot are not the same thing. If that's what you're limiting your definition to then I strongly disagree. Yes, taking your man off the dribble results in the creation of a shot. So does having a defender bite on a pump-fake, fake pass, etc. So does having defenders collapse on you as you're going to the rim. So does recognizing the open man and making the decision that he can score from where he is. As far as I'm concerned, "shot facilitator" and "shot creator" are the same thing: making shots less difficult for yourself or your teammate.
If we use your definition, Monta Ellis is one of the best shot creators in the league. Unfortunately, most of his created shots go to himself. Not exactly someone I'd use to build around Bosh.
Using the same example, Jose is a facilitator. He runs the offence and gets the ball to players in the context of the offence. He does not create shots for teammates. Calderon is not creating shots for teammates, he's facilitating through the offence. If you want to play with words to indicate your point thats fine, but once again, I would respect that you ask a coach on basically any level of basketball, what the difference is and lets see if they make a significant distinction between the 2. Not asking you to take my word for it at all.
Ask those that have more knowledge and understanding of the game than you are I and then you can determine if indeed shot facilitation and shot creators are one in the same. Do you think they will argue that they are the same thing or is it about trying to correct my definition? Regardless of me not being as clear as you would like, they are not the same things.
If you think I'm making it up we can indeed inquire with a coach or basketball personnel. I have friends that have played D1 ball, and pro ball in Europe and I'm sure they can provide us with a definition or a distinction (if there is any) by asking one of their previous coaches.
If you think I'm making stuff up, I say go to a better and more reliable source which I am more than willing and anxious to do.
You can call me whatever you want as you are good at insulting people as evidenced by your frequent ranting posts, and just to be clear I've never claimed to know everything........I just know significantly more than you.
You're what I call an inverted racist. Careful not to say anything too inflamitory but going to comment on a man's child and call the child a "bastard" child like you know for a fact that Chris Bosh is not a responsible father.
You don't have any knowledge of this other than some court order (which many couples that have problems go through) by his ex-girlfriend but feel it gives you cause to make these callous comments. The nuclear family and child raising with two active parents is an active issue amongst African Americans and blacks such as myself here in Canada so it's offensive to hear someone who has no personal knowledge of anything at all make derrogatory comments on family affairs that aren't theirs.
The 'inverted' part comes in because you are quick to jump on people who say anything at all about Bargnani and pasta as some form of racism or any commentary about Euros' like you are championing the cause of the weak and abused. Bargnani made a pasta commercial did he not?lol Don't tell me "well Chris Boshes child is a bastard child cause thats the definition of it" but it's said with malice and you should be ashamed of yourself for doing it.
You don't know anything about his personal affairs or his relationship with his daughter other than some quick news story. I have a child with a woman that I am not married to and if you see my in the streets and say that to me you will be put in your place, trust me. I'm sure every couple you encounter that has a child and are not married, you don't refer to thier child as a bastard child. You're just trying to be derrogatory and mean spirited and it's embarrasing cause this forum that is or should be just about basketball.
Stick to talking about ball and try not to be as insensitive to others as you are, unless of course it has something to do with Italians, in which event you are quick to be aware and conscious of what others may say.
Do you need me to break down anything else for you or have you now been dealt with sufficiently(?), cause I am done with you unless you muster up the courage to talk about basketball.
Last edited by sleepz; Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 06:01 PM.
I have played with many guys of all colours and have never ever been accused of racism, so stuuf that up your ass because you are only pissed because of your personal situation which does not make me a racist.
Meantime I have not moved on from basketball debates,,I simply have a hard time debating with someone who cannot open their eyes to different styles of basketball, someone who makes shit up as they go, and someone who quite franly takes everything about RuPaul way more personally than anyone should who is actually a Raptor fan and watched that loser screw this team, city and his teamates so he could go be LeDouche's and Wade's bitch. ( sorry should I check with you about using that word too?)
There other than that I am actually not a bad guy and do not want a personal fight here or anywhere else especially about basketball so I am SORRY for anything I said that offended you personally as that was not my intention, nor am I a racist.
Have a good evening!
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