Turkoglu's Turn To Take A Shot At Toronto & Colangelo

[Dr. James Naismith]

I knew it was only a matter of time before he said something. I'm not liking how everyone is now taking their turns and shitting not only on Toronto but Canada too.

Here's Hedo take on things:

New Phoenix Suns forward Hedo Turkoglu took aim at his former team, the Toronto Raptors, and their general manager, Bryan Colangelo, this weekend.

“People have to realize something is wrong with that organization and nobody wants to go there any more,” he said in a phone interview from Turkey, where he is captaining the Turkish national team at the World Championships. “It’s not just the players who see this.”

Turkoglu insisted Bosh was a good teammate.

“It’s funny that people will talk behind your back,” Turkoglu said of Colangelo. “If he was feeling this way, why not have the guts to say it during the season? Why not say it to Chris? Now that Chris has left, it’s not nice to say those things.

“Chris has been a franchise player and he did a lot of good things for the Raptors,” Turkoglu added. “I don’t think Chris is the type of player to quit on his teammates.”

Turkoglu had his own issues with the Raptors. A year ago, Toronto signed him as a free agent, believing his versatility was the missing piece to creating an Eastern Conference contender. The year before, Turkoglu helped the Orlando Magic reach the NBA Finals, where they lost to the Lakers.

But Turkoglu quickly fell out of favor in Toronto, facing criticism for being out of shape and unmotivated.

His former agent and the Suns’ current president of basketball operations, Lon Babby, said Turkoglu never got his legs under him in Toronto after a long postseason run and a summer spent playing for the Turkish national team in preparation for this year’s World Championships.

Turkoglu added that the chemistry in Toronto was never right and the Raptors never used his talents properly.

“I don’t have to talk any more about it for me because it’s past now,” he said. “I don’t care any more what people say about me because I’ve got other things to worry about.”

But Turkoglu was clearly miffed by Colangelo’s comments.

“I just don’t understand why you would say these things,” he said. “Like I said, that organization has problems.”

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[Hotshot]

I knew I forgot to add someone to my list of the top 10 Douchbag Raptors of all time.

Screw Hedo!

[LBF]

ya, w/e go make love to your tranny wife.

[DoNDaDDa]

its funny how turkyflu talk about BC making comment behind peoples backs! thats all turk has done, talk shit from turkey!

its almost as if classy hard working loyal players are becoming extinct.

i cant think of a single franchise that wouldnt have problems with guys like turk, he has some nerve to say t.o was the problem.

Turkeyflu = triple douche

[SirChillyMost]

Hedo is right BC has lost control and is in desperation damage control mode ie Chandler/Barnes non deals, as there is no organizational accountability in TO as both Wright & Jack spoke about the situation in the media last season. BC is looking really weak trying to bad mouth Bosh after the fact. Should have manned up and talked to Bosh when he was still a Raptor instead of trying to blame Bosh for TO's failures- it starts at the top BC look in the mirror. I haven't been a BC supporter ever since he fired Sam at 8-9 then let Jay take over because he's a Canadian ie good PR. It's not Hedo's fault that Jay/BC didn't put him through training camp leaving his regular season endurance to chance then misused his point forward talents in the offensive schemes.

Btw- Turk will have a few good years in Phoenix as we will see how Jay/BC misused his talents after his acquisition.

[DoNDaDDa]

Hedo is right BC has lost control and is in desperation damage control mode ie Chandler/Barnes non deals, as there is no organizational accountability in TO as both Wright & Jack spoke about the situation in the media last season. BC is looking really weak trying to bad mouth Bosh after the fact. Should have manned up and talked to Bosh when he was still a Raptor instead of trying to blame Bosh for TO's failures- it starts at the top BC look in the mirror. I haven't been a BC supporter ever since he fired Sam at 8-9 then let Jay take over because he's a Canadian ie good PR.

Btw- Turk will have a few good years in Phoenix as we will see how Jay/BC misused his talents after his acquisition.

BC only went public with his belief after Bosh had already took public shots at T.O & the franchise. & its not like bosh called up BC to voice his displeasure, bosh took the first jab & now is crying because he got a black eye.

& Hedo opened his big mouth from Turkey, he shouldnt be talkin shit when he's as classless as they come.

players living in LBJ's Glass guest house shouldnt throw stones

[SirChillyMost]

BC only went public with his belief after Bosh had already took public shots at T.O & the franchise. & its not like bosh called up BC to voice his displeasure, bosh took the first jab & now is crying because he got a black eye.

players living in LBJ's Glass guest house shouldnt throw stones

He say, she say.

In the end Bosh will most likely have a championship or 2 or 3 to his name while BC will be forever linked with Bosh leaving TO & with drafting Bargnani #1 overall in 2006- who would you want to be right about now?

[GameBreaker]

Chris Byatch and He's-dum Turdonyou can both eff themselves. They are the future of classless. BC was at least honest with answers. Bosh didn't have the balls to address Toronto and Hedo is just a goatfaced pizzabitch.

[Hassan]

Turkolgu is a fag. we have problems? wtf buddy you have problems your the most unfit piece of crap in the whole NBA. Watch next season everyone in Phoenix is gonna find out how much of a fag Turk really is.

[grindhouse]

Hedo is right BC has lost control and is in desperation damage control mode ie Chandler/Barnes non deals, as there is no organizational accountability in TO as both Wright & Jack spoke about the situation in the media last season. BC is looking really weak trying to bad mouth Bosh after the fact. Should have manned up and talked to Bosh when he was still a Raptor instead of trying to blame Bosh for TO's failures- it starts at the top BC look in the mirror. I haven't been a BC supporter ever since he fired Sam at 8-9 then let Jay take over because he's a Canadian ie good PR. It's not Hedo's fault that Jay/BC didn't put him through training camp leaving his regular season endurance to chance then misused his point forward talents in the offensive schemes.

Btw- Turk will have a few good years in Phoenix as we will see how Jay/BC misused his talents after his acquisition.

I felt bosh got sam fired when he visibly stop listening to sam during timeouts. don't you think there is a reason why he never got another head coaching job after he left toronto? I have read and listened to alot of bosh's interviews since he left I think its safe to say that bosh seems more concerned with media exposure and his brand name more then anything else. Lets say for one second that yes, bosh, wade, and lebron made plans to play with each other, is BC not justified to say that he tried to build around bosh in vein?

[DoNDaDDa]

Chris Byatch and He's-dum Turdonyou can both eff themselves. They are the future of classless. BC was at least honest with answers. Bosh didn't have the balls to address Toronto and Hedo is just a goatfaced pizzabitch.

i agree 100%

all BC did was tell it how it was, he didnt embellish or speculate about anything, didnt let his emotion take over & rant & rave like dan gilbert, BC actually spoke his mind based on fact & did it in a classy manner,he mearlly stated the obvious. & i commend him for it.

the fact is these young athletes these days dont have the same loyalty, respect that they claim to have, its all about the brand for peeps like bosh & the types of comments BC said hurts his brand so of course he's going to say what ever to salvage his BOSH name even do wade & LBJ's laundry & give them reach arounds before practices.

turkyglu is a joke he hides all the way in turkey, publiclly bash's everything to do with T.O & BC in turkish & hopes no translaters are around to tell everyone the crock of shit that just spilled out his mouth. id be completlly happy if hedo got gang raped by 12 horny gorrilla's! LOL

also Miami better learn to play against zone defence cause im sure there going to see alot of it this year, there three amigo's all like to take it to the hole & not one of them is a good 3pt shooter nore do they have enough 3pt shooters to spread the floor.

as for scoring on them i dont see that being a problem with big z & bosh in the paint, z is too old & bosh couldnt protect the paint in T.O so why is it going to be any different in miami, it prob. will be worse cause now bosh has help he'll think he can take plays off & relax. teams will pound it in the paint as often as possible.

[Bendit]

He say, she say.

In the end Bosh will most likely have a championship or 2 or 3 to his name while BC will be forever linked with Bosh leaving TO & with drafting Bargnani #1 overall in 2006- who would you want to be right about now?

You really think that Bosh winning champioships in Miami is a big deal with Wade & James? I suppose you must then believe that Adam Morrison's rings in LA are really meaningful as well. Like Rondo said...they havent won anything yet.

As far as BC "manning up" during the season and confronting Bosh...I dont think you like the Raptors much...did you want him to jeopardize the s&t arrangement he had with Bosh? It turns out after all that Bosh effed him/us fans on that anyway.

At best Hedo is like the pot calling the kettle black. He's got an axe to grind doesnt he? Did he have a problem signing here for the big dollars last year? He should fire his agent for letting him sign with a shitty organization. Oh sorry, his agent is now his boss (pres. of the Suns). Lol.

[SirChillyMost]

I felt bosh got sam fired when he visibly stop listening to sam during timeouts. don't you think there is a reason why he never got another head coaching job after he left toronto? I have read and listened to alot of bosh's interviews since he left I think its safe to say that bosh seems more concerned with media exposure and his brand name more then anything else. Lets say for one second that yes, bosh, wade, and lebron made plans to play with each other, is BC not justified to say that he tried to build around bosh in vein?

I don't know to me it seemed as if Bosh wanted Sam around but Sam's handling of Bargnani pissed BC off- I can't call it. I do know that Jay has done no better than Sam as head coach.

The rosters BC put around Bosh were laughable as Bosh aka skinny man never player with a legit upper echelon player under BC not to mention playing next to a pseudo center in Bargnani. Jay had a much more talented roster last season than Sam ever had, Sam would have gotten close to 50 wins out of this years team in my mind, and coached it down with his no accountability mentality.

If Bosh, LBJ & Wade made plans to play with each other BC should have cleared cap space like Riley ie no JO deal, to give another viable option. Miami was the only team that could accommodate all 3 while BC is still trying to move Banks (JO deal).

[SirChillyMost]

You really think that Bosh winning champioships in Miami is a big deal with Wade & James? I suppose you must then believe that Adam Morrison's rings in LA are really meaningful as well. Like Rondo said...they havent won anything yet.

As far as BC "manning up" during the season and confronting Bosh...I dont think you like the Raptors much...did you want him to jeopardize the s&t arrangement he had with Bosh? It turns out after all that Bosh effed him/us fans on that anyway.

At best Hedo is like the pot calling the kettle black. He's got an axe to grind doesnt he? Did he have a problem signing here for the big dollars last year? He should fire his agent for letting him sign with a shitty organization. Oh sorry, his agent is now his boss (pres. of the Suns). Lol.

If Bosh wins a 'ship in Miami, most likey to happen at least once, it will be a big deal, truss. They haven't won anything yet as a trio but Wade has won a ring already. Btw AMorrison is not a viable comparison as he was a fringe roster player for LA while Bosh is part of the core in Miami.

S&T, all BC got was Miami's 1st round pick in 2011(likely number 30) & gave TO back the number one pick BC traded away to Miami in the JO deal. Plus a 14 million dollar trade exception. BC f*cked himself & the fans over.

I can almost guarantee that Hedo will play really well in Phoenix over the next couple of years further exposing TO's lack of structure.

[SirChillyMost]

Turkolgu is a fag. we have problems? wtf buddy you have problems your the most unfit piece of crap in the whole NBA. Watch next season everyone in Phoenix is gonna find out how much of a fag Turk really is.

BC/Jay should have put him through training camp. I bet he will be in shape in Pheonix because there is structure plus player accountability.

[Buddahfan]

Despite the soft schedule for about a month before the all-star break the Raptors were playing well and were winning the games that they should. On the other hand before that easy part of the schedule the Raptors had the most difficult schedule in the league between trips and the number of games played. So overall the schedule before the all-star break was not that much easier than the schedule after it. So clearly there was a valid reason for BC to be optimistic at the all-star break and trade deadline about the Raptors final win total and conference seeding come the playoffs.

Based on all of that there was no logic to trading Bosh just before the trade deadline unless BC knew at that time that Bosh wanted out of Toronto starting July 1st. There is no evidence to suggest that that was in fact the situation.

Then Bosh was injured twice playing in only 18 of the 30 Raptors post all-star games. So he missed 40% of all the Raptors games after the all-star break. To compound that the schedule for a good part of those missed games was not that easy.

Now the question is did BC try and sign Bosh after the season ended or did he decide to let him walk?

Almost everyone assumes that BC tried to sign Bosh but I for one am not convinced.

The results are in the wins, losses and standings. Bosh failed once again to get the Raptors into the playoffs. Another post all-star flame out. Yes he was injured again after the all-star break. Yes he did not try and get in the way of that elbow that busted up his face. Maybe it is just bad karma but Bosh basically is like the significant other - just not there for you when you need them. So maybe BC finally realized that and decided Bosh was not worth a max contract given his history of injuries, his bad knees and his inability to make others around him better, other than maybe through a double team. Though that is a subject for discussion at another time.

Then when Bosh knew he wasn't coming back he just acted like Bosh, which all Raptors fans knew what that was like from his self promotion for the all-star team. So no surprise there.

In the end I don't blame either BC or Bosh for the parting nor the way it happened.

Its unfortunate that after the fact this he said/she said garbage is happening.

[LBF]

Hedo is right BC has lost control and is in desperation damage control mode ie Chandler/Barnes non deals, as there is no organizational accountability in TO as both Wright & Jack spoke about the situation in the media last season. BC is looking really weak trying to bad mouth Bosh after the fact. Should have manned up and talked to Bosh when he was still a Raptor instead of trying to blame Bosh for TO's failures- it starts at the top BC look in the mirror. I haven't been a BC supporter ever since he fired Sam at 8-9 then let Jay take over because he's a Canadian ie good PR. It's not Hedo's fault that Jay/BC didn't put him through training camp leaving his regular season endurance to chance then misused his point forward talents in the offensive schemes.

Btw- Turk will have a few good years in Phoenix as we will see how Jay/BC misused his talents after his acquisition.

ya, okay so he's going to walk up to the franchise guy at the time and say your not franchise player material. that's going to look even better on him.

[ws511]

Damn ... ole BC sure is in the shit-kicking weeds these day. Funny how things like these can gang up and hoof your coins repeatedly ... even when you might not actually deserve it, at least for what it appears you’re getting it for. Meaning ... while I don’t think Colangelo QUITE deserves the level of grief he’s been getting the last week or so -- a fair portion of it has been word-play by the media making his Bosh comments into a bigger deal than they actually were, imo -- sometimes, by not being smart when you need to be, you play yourself into a corner where those who might fancy taking a free swing at you can line one up and slam away at will. We already knew that Hedo is enough of an a-hole to not be the classy one, so it shouldn’t be all THAT surprising (to Colangelo) that he took the opportunity to let one fly at his former boss, who had (after all) publicly embarrassed him last winter by having him benched after the nightclub thing. Like Doc said, it was only a matter of time. But it was Colangelo who left himself wide open for it ... and while I doubt he could’ve seen this one coming, it’s serious cannon-fire ... and I think it needs a serious response.

Of course, what makes it worse -- for us, for Raptors brass and for former teammates -- is that there he is, NOW looking like he’s gotten himself trim, fit and healthy, about a hundred times more so than when he showed up to training camp last year ... so you just know it’s likely that he’ll have a good season, but ... that just is what it is.

The important thing now, as I see it, is, the comment Hedo made that “something is wrong with that organization and nobody wants to go there any more” ... and “it’s not just the players who see this” requires -- in my opinion -- a full-guns-blazing-all-out-assault-response from Colangelo. I mean really, it would just be too lame to let that one go. If he’d hope that it’d go away on its own, it’d be a mistake, imo. Not with how the media devours this kind of Colangelo-related stuff, especially these days. So, if I’m BC’s boss, I’m on the phone with him tonight, reminding him that he got himSELF into this stink by not thinking ahead about what effect his comments on Bosh last week might have and that (as far as I’d be concerned) he’s got little choice now but to drop the gloves and hit back hard and quick, before the media runs wild with it first and he fires back after everybody’s had their say ... which would look lame or at least, have way less of an impact (so same thing - lame). A hard counterpunch needs serious considering, ‘cause there’s a fair bit on the line with this for a lot of people, in the organization and even outside of it. Time to be tough in a presidential kind of way ... and hit that bastid back ... hard. Is what I think.

[DirtyMikeSeaver]

One Question - At what point does perception become reality?

[DaBlenda]

One Question - At what point does perception become reality?

Exactly, regardless of the crap Turk and Bosh are spewing,American ballers buy into it.If you don't believe it, you aren't listening to the ignorant misconceptions both press and players already have about Canada, and Toronto specifically.We have rich ownership, a great arena, great fans, but players who are seemingly not looking at us with an open mind.I can't really think of another major league franchise that has so much going for it, but is looked upon as badly.