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Thread: Turkoglu's Turn To Take A Shot At Toronto & Colangelo

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    Quote Frankthetank wrote: View Post
    "In the end Bosh will most likely have a championship or 2 or 3 to his name while BC will be forever linked with Bosh leaving TO & with drafting Bargnani #1 overall in 2006- who would you want to be right about now? "

    WHo cares if Bosh wins a championship they will be collasal failures if they have to rely on Bosh as they're interior defense. If BC did something wrong by stating the facts about Bosh then telling the truth is the biggest loser thing anyone can do. BC told the truth about Turk during the season and I guess turk doesn't like the truth. Anything said by Turk should be taken with a grain of salt as he ownly came here for the money and to party. So anyone who is as lazy a player as turk is should learn to shut his trap especially coming off a brutal year.
    There are alot of band wagon jumpers like sirchilly. WHy don't you guys go post some where else if your not going to be a raptors supporter.
    What you are suggesting is to blindly back the team regardless of who's playing on the roster or making the personnel decisions, and that if you don't support to go post somewhere else? lol.

    I don't support Turkolgu in any way shape or form because I wasn't impressed with his game before he signed with the Raps and I was even more disturbed watching him in a Raps uniform, but the BC defence is weak and tired like his talk and talent assembled and rarely does he tell the "truth". He tells fans what they want to hear which is a big difference.

    The truth was the teams talent is weak and that to depend on a player who "gave up" (which is nonsense) or is now not a franchise guy (although you said he was one, right until the end of the season) says more about the weak roster put together than anything. Why depend on a guy that gave up and isn't a franchise guy? If he "takes games off" or whatever other blind insinuations fans want to believe why would you even want him on the court? Why not depend on the other talented pieces assembled by the almighty Colangelo? They couldn't because those other pieces are just not that good.

    We'll see how well they play this year now that Colangelo has finally got rid of all the 'cancers' on the team.

    I've been a Raptors fan since the inception of this team and will continue to be regardless of what anyone says, but I refuse to cheer for a weak GM just cause he or some fans want me to. Maybe you should stop posting if you can't take differences of opinion.

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    Quote robguy wrote: View Post
    Exactly which talents were misused??? He showed up out of shape. Yes the Raptors coddled him. If they called him out, I bet a bunch of you would be all over BC for making Raptors management look bad.

    FLorida is a terrible sports market. I could care less if they are sold out for the season - any city in the NBA would have. After these 3 guys are done, the arena will be back to being 2/3s empty even with only 1 star player on their roster.

    In the meantime - maybe you are right and they will win a few championships. I am leaning toward the opposite. This year, the Heat as currently constructed will not beat the Lakers if they even get that far. I bet they will start strong, and Bosh will wear out and disappear in the playoffs as he did the previous 2 times.

    Then there could be a lockout the next year - so if the Heat do not win this year, they might have to wait until the 3rd season together, and by then, the NBA could have tightened the restrictions around the salary cap making it even more difficult for Riley to build around the 3 stars. In the meantime, Oklahoma, Portland, etc. will be getting better with a younger roster.

    I know - a lot of 'ifs' but the Heat have their share of ;ifs; also.
    If you're going to start Turk you must give him the ball on offense and let him initiate sets. Jose & Turk battled all season long with that concept while Jack was more willing to give the ball up to Turk. All one had to do was watch Turk in Orlando then implement those sets into the Raptor offense especially if you're going to pay the guy big bucks. He was out of shape because BC & Jay gave him training camp off- recognize game.

    Florida sports market may be terrible- in your words, but the year round weather beats living in TO.

    Miami will win at least 1 championship in the next 5 years, most likely multiple titles, barring any major injuries. Bosh is going to blow up in Miami with everyone paying attention to Wade & LBJ- Bosh has become the best 3rd option in the NBA. Time will tell if he wears out in the playoffs as you predict.

    You're hoping for a miracle- face it the Heat are the priemer team in the NBA and will be for years to come lock out or no lock out. Plus they have 2 Canadians on their roster in potential starting center Joel Anthony & back up center Jamaal Magloire. How can one from Toronto or Canada really hate on the Heat?lol


    Like Soul II Soul would say- Keep on reachin' don't stop.lol
    Last edited by SirChillyMost; Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 at 10:29 PM.

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    Quote Frankthetank wrote: View Post
    "About the #1 draft pick that TO originally traded away in the JO deal and received back in the Bosh S&T- Riley schooled BC. As well you're speaking untenable facetious balderdash on the issue, son. Whatever you have to say to make yourself feel right.lol"

    Are you kidding me? JO has been terrible. Even worse then marion/turk combo. Not to mention that JO made 23 million dollars last year. Look at the stats before you school everyone. BC saved 10 million a year and the stats are pretty well the same. JO was terrible in the playoffs didn't even average 5 points a game wow burn on bc LOl
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...e?playerId=862
    http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=615
    JO's 2010 expiring contract gave Riley most of the cap space to go after Bosh & LBJ. Not to mention that Riley received a #1 draft pick from TO then traded back the rights to that very same pick to BC as part of the Bosh S&T deal plus Riley got rid of Bank's contract in the JO deal- a contract that BC is still trying to move in deals.

    Take a look at Miami's current roster then look at Toronto's current roster and tell me who schooled whom. BC should be the Heat's assistant GM as well.lol

    Are you kidding me- step up your basketball related IQ- please..................

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    Quote Frankthetank wrote: View Post
    "In the end Bosh will most likely have a championship or 2 or 3 to his name while BC will be forever linked with Bosh leaving TO & with drafting Bargnani #1 overall in 2006- who would you want to be right about now? "

    WHo cares if Bosh wins a championship they will be collasal failures if they have to rely on Bosh as they're interior defense. If BC did something wrong by stating the facts about Bosh then telling the truth is the biggest loser thing anyone can do. BC told the truth about Turk during the season and I guess turk doesn't like the truth. Anything said by Turk should be taken with a grain of salt as he ownly came here for the money and to party. So anyone who is as lazy a player as turk is should learn to shut his trap especially coming off a brutal year.
    There are alot of band wagon jumpers like sirchilly. WHy don't you guys go post some where else if your not going to be a raptors supporter.
    I support the Raptor's I just don't blindly follow like a fan aka fanatic would. BC is proving to be b*tch made and losing whatever credibility he had coming in to take over as Raptor GM on a daily basis among Raptor supporters. Miami will be colossal failures in your words if they rely on Bosh for their interior defense?lmfao I think that Riley has put together a very nice roster- has BC?lol

    BC & Jay gave Turk training off so they enabled his lack of conditioning from jump street. The "No Accountability" era has been instilled under BC via his puppet coach Jay Traino so don't act all surprised by Turk's efforts last season. In Phoenix I can almost guarantee Turk will play much better than he did in TO- why? Player accountability in the Suns organization.

    Fyi I have been a Raptor's supporter since they 1st came into the NBA- recognize game or remain mentally lame.

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    Quote SirChillyMost wrote: View Post
    Time will tell if he wears out in the playoffs as you predict.
    Past performance is the best predictor of future performance. Bosh will wear down as the season goes on and will have nothing left in the tank come playoff time. (Unless of course he can conserve better during the season as he has 2 better teammates than he has had in the past.) Great teams (this is not - just 3 great players) have been assembled before but can they win with all the hype and pressure around them? Can Spoelestra manage the personalities? Should be interesting to watch.

    I may be hoping for a miracle, but the rest of this lineup is not a slam dunk for the title.

    You obviously like the rest of the Miami roster and I do not - lets see what happens!

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    Quote robguy wrote: View Post
    Past performance is the best predictor of future performance. Bosh will wear down as the season goes on and will have nothing left in the tank come playoff time. (Unless of course he can conserve better during the season as he has 2 better teammates than he has had in the past.) Great teams (this is not - just 3 great players) have been assembled before but can they win with all the hype and pressure around them? Can Spoelestra manage the personalities? Should be interesting to watch.

    I may be hoping for a miracle, but the rest of this lineup is not a slam dunk for the title.

    You obviously like the rest of the Miami roster and I do not - lets see what happens!
    Bosh will not be worn out from carrying a team all season long come playoff time so your whole argument is not tenable. He will be well rested from all the Heat blowouts not to mention he has a legit back up in Haslem & won't have to guard centers like in Toronto.

    Spoelestra already has managed the personalities as the Big 3 accepted less money to play together not to mention that Haslem & Miller were college roommates. House played 3 years in Miami (2000-03). Jones is a low maintenance returning player. Ilgauskus is LBJ's buddy from Cleveland. Magloire & Anthony are both low maintenance Heat vets. Howard is a low maintenance vet- Fab 5 ya'll!!!! Arroyo is a returning Heat player. Chalmers is returning as well. Wade is the common denominator for the Heat.

    Miami's projected starters:

    C: Ilgauskus
    PF: Bosh
    SF: James
    SG: Wade
    PG: Chalmers

    Miami's projected bench:

    C: Anthony/Magloire/*Pittman
    PF: Haslem/Howard/#Randolph/*#Vanardo
    SF: Jones/*#Butler
    SG: Miller/#Hasbrouck
    PG: Arroyo/House/#Beverley


    *rookie
    #non guaranteed contract

    Miami has the deepest NBA bench currently with experienced vets at every position- what more do you want?

    Let's just wait & see what happens........lol
    Last edited by SirChillyMost; Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 at 03:03 PM.

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    "JO's 2010 expiring contract gave Riley most of the cap space to go after Bosh & LBJ. Not to mention that Riley received a #1 draft pick from TO then traded back the rights to that very same pick to BC as part of the Bosh S&T deal plus Riley got rid of Bank's contract in the JO deal- a contract that BC is still trying to move in deals."

    Sirchilly, lebron, wade and bosh would have never came to Toronto so it doesn't matter if riley used JO's contract to sign those guys. Secondly that is after the fact. Marcus Banks and hedo/shawn actually have better stats then JO and made less. So besides what happened after JO and Hedo/Marion left doesn't count for the trade.
    Turk I agree with you that management babied Turk and that was a BIG mistake. Turk should have had no special treatment. But if their was someone who deserved special treatment it was Turk. He is a 10 year vet and just finished playing finals and the world championships in the same summer.
    Finally if your not a raptors fan why would you post on raptors chat board? Yes I blindly cheer for the Raptors no matter who is on the team because this is my home and I support my hometown team. In the 80's and early 90's I was a celtic fan and gave them up to be a raptors fan because I could watch most of the games not 3-4 a year. Turks still an idiot

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    Bosh's stats
    05-06 TOR 70 70 39.3 7.8-15.5 .505 0.0-0.2 .000 6.8-8.3 .816 0.70 1.10 2.2 3.0 2.9 6.3 9.2 2.6 22.5
    06-07 TOR 69 69 38.5 7.9-15.9 .496 0.2-0.5 .343 6.7-8.6 .785 0.60 1.30 2.6 2.4 2.7 8.0 10.7 2.5 22.6
    07-08 TOR 67 67 36.2 7.6-15.3 .494 0.1-0.4 .400 7.0-8.3 .844 0.90 1.00 2.3 2.3 2.6 6.1 8.7 2.6 22.3
    08-09 TOR 77 77 38.0 8.0-16.4 .487 0.2-0.6 .245 6.5-8.0 .817 0.90 1.00 2.3 2.5 2.8 7.2 10.0 2.5 22.7
    09-10 TOR 70 70 36.1 8.6-16.5 .518 0.1-0.3 .364 6.7-8.4 .797 0.60 1.00 2.4 2.4 2.9 7.9 10.8 2.4 24.0
    Ilgau. stats
    04-05 CLE 78 78 33.5 5.9-12.6 .468 0.0-0.1 .286 5.2-6.4 .799 0.70 2.10 2.4 4.0 3.8 4.8 8.6 1.3 16.9
    05-06 CLE 78 78 29.3 5.8-11.4 .506 0.0-0.1 .000 4.1-4.9 .834 0.50 1.70 2.0 3.6 3.1 4.4 7.5 1.2 15.6
    06-07 CLE 78 78 27.3 4.9-10.2 .485 0.0-0.0 .000 2.0-2.5 .807 0.60 1.30 1.8 3.3 3.1 4.6 7.7 1.6 11.9
    07-08 CLE 73 73 30.4 5.7-12.0 .474 0.0-0.0 .000 2.7-3.3 .802 0.50 1.60 1.8 3.4 3.6 5.7 9.3 1.4 14.1
    08-09 CLE 65 65 27.2 5.3-11.1 .472 0.2-0.6 .385 2.1-2.7 .799 0.40 1.30 1.4 2.8 2.4 5.1 7.5 1.0 12.9
    09-10 CLE 64 6 20.9 3.0-6.8 .443 0.2-0.4 .478 1.2-1.6 .743 0.20 0.80 1.0 2.9 1.8 3.6 5.4 0.8 7.4

    The two of them don't even average a block a game. The Heats starting 5 has no interior defense. Between bosh and ilg. they average 1.77 blocks a game. Sounds like a frontline to match the lakers/celtics. The Bench is crap too the raptors have a better bench then your heat. So step up or step out

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    Lakers frontline
    Gasol-65 37.0 452-844 .536 0-5 .000 286-362 .790 3.7 7.6 11.3 .57 1.74 2.20 2.34 3.4 18.3
    Bynum-65 30.4 392-688 .570 0-1 .000 193-261 .739 2.7 5.6 8.3 .54 1.45 1.77 2.97 1.0 15.0

    Gasol almost averaged the same number of blocks as ilg. and bosh. Then you can bring in the undersized 5 in Anthony to matcup against the two 7 footers. Magloire is a bum now. So basically have Bosh and Anthony as the only guys quick enough to match up with Gasol/bynum. Your heat are in trouble and don't even match up well against the bigs of Celtics/magic.

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    Quote Frankthetank wrote: View Post
    Lakers frontline
    Gasol-65 37.0 452-844 .536 0-5 .000 286-362 .790 3.7 7.6 11.3 .57 1.74 2.20 2.34 3.4 18.3
    Bynum-65 30.4 392-688 .570 0-1 .000 193-261 .739 2.7 5.6 8.3 .54 1.45 1.77 2.97 1.0 15.0

    Gasol almost averaged the same number of blocks as ilg. and bosh. Then you can bring in the undersized 5 in Anthony to matcup against the two 7 footers. Magloire is a bum now. So basically have Bosh and Anthony as the only guys quick enough to match up with Gasol/bynum. Your heat are in trouble and don't even match up well against the bigs of Celtics/magic.
    We'll see how they play when the time comes until then it's all speculation. Only stats I care about are Ws & Ls.

    Did I say that the Heat were my favorite team? No. Fyi my favorite teams are the Boston Celtics followed by the Seattle Supersonics (fu*k Oklahoma City!!!) & the Toronto Raptors. If you choose to blindly support the Raptor's then that's on you- to each their own.

    Celtics, if they sign Shaq, will have the best team in the East followed by Miami & Orlando. Miami has work to do but it will be fun watching them play.
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    Quote Frankthetank wrote: View Post
    Bosh's stats
    05-06 TOR 70 70 39.3 7.8-15.5 .505 0.0-0.2 .000 6.8-8.3 .816 0.70 1.10 2.2 3.0 2.9 6.3 9.2 2.6 22.5
    06-07 TOR 69 69 38.5 7.9-15.9 .496 0.2-0.5 .343 6.7-8.6 .785 0.60 1.30 2.6 2.4 2.7 8.0 10.7 2.5 22.6
    07-08 TOR 67 67 36.2 7.6-15.3 .494 0.1-0.4 .400 7.0-8.3 .844 0.90 1.00 2.3 2.3 2.6 6.1 8.7 2.6 22.3
    08-09 TOR 77 77 38.0 8.0-16.4 .487 0.2-0.6 .245 6.5-8.0 .817 0.90 1.00 2.3 2.5 2.8 7.2 10.0 2.5 22.7
    09-10 TOR 70 70 36.1 8.6-16.5 .518 0.1-0.3 .364 6.7-8.4 .797 0.60 1.00 2.4 2.4 2.9 7.9 10.8 2.4 24.0
    Ilgau. stats
    04-05 CLE 78 78 33.5 5.9-12.6 .468 0.0-0.1 .286 5.2-6.4 .799 0.70 2.10 2.4 4.0 3.8 4.8 8.6 1.3 16.9
    05-06 CLE 78 78 29.3 5.8-11.4 .506 0.0-0.1 .000 4.1-4.9 .834 0.50 1.70 2.0 3.6 3.1 4.4 7.5 1.2 15.6
    06-07 CLE 78 78 27.3 4.9-10.2 .485 0.0-0.0 .000 2.0-2.5 .807 0.60 1.30 1.8 3.3 3.1 4.6 7.7 1.6 11.9
    07-08 CLE 73 73 30.4 5.7-12.0 .474 0.0-0.0 .000 2.7-3.3 .802 0.50 1.60 1.8 3.4 3.6 5.7 9.3 1.4 14.1
    08-09 CLE 65 65 27.2 5.3-11.1 .472 0.2-0.6 .385 2.1-2.7 .799 0.40 1.30 1.4 2.8 2.4 5.1 7.5 1.0 12.9
    09-10 CLE 64 6 20.9 3.0-6.8 .443 0.2-0.4 .478 1.2-1.6 .743 0.20 0.80 1.0 2.9 1.8 3.6 5.4 0.8 7.4

    The two of them don't even average a block a game. The Heats starting 5 has no interior defense. Between bosh and ilg. they average 1.77 blocks a game. Sounds like a frontline to match the lakers/celtics. The Bench is crap too the raptors have a better bench then your heat. So step up or step out
    It's not a given that Big Z starts. It's all good as LBJ & Wade both get their share of blocks from the 2 & 3 positions. Magloire and Anthony are both active on defense they just don't give up lay ups- they contest, alter & block shots as well when in the game. Time will tell how good Miami is but I still have Boston ahead of them in the East- especially if Rasheed Wallace comes back as rumored via Shaq aka The Big Gossip.

    Btw comparing the Rap's bench to the Heat's and claiming the former is better- str8 up facetious balderdash, kiddo.

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