Iverson's greatest basketball ability is scoring. Which is one of the most common 'talent's in the NBA. He did it with quantity over quality.... but every shot he took is a shot some else could have taken aswell. Statistically speaking, if someone else (or combination of others) took the shots Iverson did the team had a better chance of scoring as his FG% was very low. Thats why his WP number is low. You can tell me he was a better scorer than his teammates but he still shot 42%on 25.5 sots. You can tell me he was quick and talented and hit amazing shots, but he still shot 42% on 25.5 shots. You can tell me he scored 30 pts a game, won an mvp and made it to the finals, but he still shot 42% of 25.5 shots.
I have not forgotten the last 5 years and one solid game of effort does not change anything in the big picture.
It was also the first preseason game of the year and if we want to get critical, there were a number of other players who made a number of bonehead plays on offense too.
Now if you are simply asking if he showed the same effort like he did in the one game, would I want him? My answer to that would still be no. For me it's not simply about effort. That does play a big factor, but mixing effort with bad IQ still means bad IQ. He may not be as bad a liability which is great, but he is still getting paid a ton of money and is taking development time away from both Davis and Amir.
If you throw the assumption in there that Casey will improve Bargnani's IQ, I would counter that with I would have to see it to believe it. That is too big of an assumption for me.
If Bargs can average a double double this season, I predict he will be the Raptors GOAT.
he played pretty good. but, the second quarter i was like meh. then again the whole team kind of lost touch in the second.but, regained it.
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Brook Lopez scored 15pts and had 11rbs in his first preseason game. Dwight Howard on the other hand had 5pts and 6rbs in his first game. I think if NJ is planning to trade Lopez for Howard it would be a horrible lop sided trade in NJ's favour. We off course have to take the previous years out of the equation since that only makes sense.
Thats the thing with Bargs. Even if he manages to hit 20/10 every night, he could just be the same as pre-Griz Zach Randolph. The numbers are there but it doesn't mean anything and the team is a loser. He really does have to shock and awe, otherwise I want to get more draft picks for 2012.
Obviously it's a huge "IF", but yesterday's game showed that the potential is there and that Bargnani is capable of 'bringing it' at both ends of the court... the real question is whether or not Casey can keep Bargnani motivated and passionate enough to bring it consistently every game for an entire season. IF he can, then his play would essentially make the last 5 years meaningless, in terms of evaluating his contribution and value to the Raptors, going forward.
IF Bargnani can consistently be a 20+/10 type player, with the hustle and passion he played with yesterday, then his $10-12M per season would seem like a bargain. Also, if you were to trade that new and improved 20+/10 Bargnani for a top-10 draft pick, there's no guarantee that the draft pick would be a 20+/10 player either. Nothing is ever for sure; yes you have to remember the past, but players are capable to having everything finally just 'click'...
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But to be honest, I've stopped imagining a life where Bargnani actually gets it. I want the Raptors to win a championship, not just make into the playoffs. I don't see Bargnani as championship material.
You indicated in your last paragraph that players are capable of having everything finally click. Can you please site an example of say 3 or 5 guys where they finally 'clicked' after playing a significant amount of time in the NBA. This notion that Bargnani will finally click seems like an exception. I'd rather gamble on a top-10 draft pick personally. The odds will be in my favour.
And to answer your question, a 20+/10 player making $10-12 million a season may be a relative bargain, but if that player still plays below average defense, then who cares whether he's a relative bargain.
WHat we saw from Bargnani was encouraging, but that's it. He's still got a long way to go.
Chauncey Billups comes to mind, as a player that two teams passed along (including the Raps) as nothing more than a backup PG, who took a couple more seasons at Detroit, before becoming an all-world PG who is considered one of the best floor-generals of the past decade.
Heck, even MJ came into the league as a flashy dunker initially, who took years (and playoff losses to Bird's Celtics and Isaih's Pistons) to realize that he needed to be more to win a championship... he worked his ass off to become a good outside shooter, a good post-up player and to make the league's all-defense team.
Bargnani is a scorer with potential to be a good defender and good rebounder, he just needs to stay committed and play with effort and passion. Yes it is certainly a huge "IF", that is agreed upon by even his biggest supporter... but that "IF" was the basis for this thread.
It will be very interesting to see what happens during or after a game where Bargnani has only a couple of rebounds and rebounds attempted. How will Casey react and what will be Bargnani's reaction in the game after.
I voted no because it won't last. How do I know? If we saw a glimpse like this in his 2nd year, then maybe. But I've seen 5 years of the OTHER guy.
This poll is like asking if I wanted to keep the hare if he ran fast all the time instead of taking a break and allowing the turtle to win the race. The answer is obviously yes, but the reality is that it's not gonna happen.
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