I would really like to plug in all the loose ends on the team right now, and I think we should focus on having a solid foundational cast around our current potentials (Val/Ross/Amir) and players (Derozan/Gay/Lowry). I want Bargnani's value to be diffused over several holes, including capspace, draft picks, and solid role players.
This is why I have decided to go against supporting an expensive, high-usage, older, player. I was into Boozer earlier, but have changed my mind, seeing many other potential routes as much more beneficial to the raptors, present and future.
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Now if you take back Gooden, then suddenly maybe Henson/picks become available but it doesn't address the expiring contracts you mentioned.
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That's part of the defensive system that he's doing under instruction, not him taking random risks roaming freely like Lowry does.
"It always fails and they easily get it to his man for the easy bucket."
Always? Simply not true, but if you knew anything about the game, you'd know that many teams do that as part of their scheme, and accept that they'll get burned once in a while. That we have a 7 footer that's mobile enough to do that and not get burned too often (good rotations by other teammates helps).
Every team hoping to contend for a title needs a big three. Toronto was always missing a true SF in the 7 years Bargnani was in tdot which forced him to play out of his role and try to create his own offence knowing there was nobody else there to take that pressure off him. Now that we finally have a true SF who can creat shots and take pressure off Derozan and Bargnani we should finally be able to see Bargnani flurish and dominate as a second or third option where he won't be the primary focus of other teams defence. We finally have an assemblance of a big three in Gay, Derozan and Bargnani let the good times rollllllll.
We'll agree to disagree.Good points. I guess it just comes down to the fact that I don't like Williams and don't think he will be a good player in this league, a Beasley type player at BEST. just my opinion tho. Im also not huge on the boozer trade but if I had to choose, I would either keep bargs or go for boozer than take Williams.
Well, it really depends, look at Harden. Ran from a championship caliber team to take 8$ million more dollars. Originally offered a 5 year, 40$ million contract to take a max contract, to a team that's still sort of rebuilding.I would also much rather pay a guy like smith or milsap as well. I just find it hard to see smith willing to guarantee a long term future here, im sure there will be a lot of teams willing to pay max for him.
There are a lot of teams actually willing to pay the max to Josh Smith, but there's really no separation from them to Toronto, because those teams willing to give up the cash, are among the same build/mold of Toronto. Building, mediocre record, etc.
I will get him just in order to hear Matt Devlin say: "Alright we got Boozer Gay Johnson enter the game"
When everyone called for trading him over the past 2 months, the best case scenario would've been that he comes back and plays well to up his value. He's doing that now...so why not capitalize on it? Why wait another season to see if it works out and risk losing that value?
Although I not sure HOW much he's raised his value as of now. IF there's a good deal on the table, aka shedding salary, getting young players/picks or a legit starting PF you trade bargs. NO QUESTION. However, I don't think you have to trade him because I do believe that as long as he's coming off the bench he can be an effective player, and a good trade might come in the off season or even next year. We aren't doing anything this year even if we trade bargs so I don't see the harm in letting him play the season out.
Not sure I'm big on the boozer trade unless we are getting some good picks back.
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Bargnani still needs to be traded. If you thought Amir Johnson or Landry Fields was overpaid (at time of signing), then this guy breaks the barrier well and beyond.
By the end of this season he will have stolen $48M from the Toronto Raptors, where his peak value comes from the 13 game mirage and now, a decent offensive big man off the bench. He'll be paid $11M next year to be such a bench player.
The moment there is an opportunity to trade for a starter, he has to go.
Under no circumstances (unless it was resulting in a superstar calibre player) should the Raptors consider trading Derozan in a deal with Bargnani. Demar is NOT the problem. I honestly get the feeling that you must have a personal issue with Demar because that could really be the only justification for including him in a trade to Utah that only really gets us Milsap and a back up pg. I am in utter shock.
Incase you haven't realized, Demar is a legit starting calibre 2 guard (Gay said he's the best he's every played with) with the real potential to develop even more facets of his game to make him even better. For all of Demar's flaws, he still has shown significant improvement from his rookie campaign and has become very effective in what he does. Trading Bargnani is needed, either now, or at the end of the season, but trading Derozan should not even be discussed in joke right now. Maybe at the end of next season, if TRoss explodes into a player with James Harden level impact off the bench then we can consider moving Demar, but not now, and not ever for Milsap. I am actually disgusted at the idea...utterly disgusted.
Ya...i really have no idea why you guys would want to do such a ridiculous deal. Until T Ross truly proves that he is good enough to take over, it is not wise to just trade DeRozan. That deal is so lop sided its not even funny, We're basically giving up our second best wing player for a fringe all star and a backup pg. DeRozan is also considered a fringe all star IMO, i would be surprised if he doesn't make it in the next 2 seasons.
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Hopefully Raps fans dont boo the poor guy tonight.
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