He should have been moved a long time ago.
You need to keep in mind that Bargnani is a BYC player and his salary can only account for $4.25M in a trade. I think regardless of what happens, he is with the Raptors this year. I have no doubt he will be 'dead man walking' as his excuse and the excuses of others has always been 1) I'm not a true C and 2) RuPaul and I play the same position. If he plays bad this year and playing bad also includes not showing reasonable improvement, you can bet BC won't worry about his ego in letting him go. He has fixed and tried to fix many mistakes along the way. Bargs is best served as a 3rd wheel - not unlike another former Raps player I know. Actually to be fair to RuPaul he would be a pretty good 2nd option on any team.
I think that Bargniani is not the type of player that can be a franchise one. He maybe a copy of Dirk Nowitzki, but he will never be a true center, or even a post forward...so if he stays, he must play at 4, otherwise i agree that he should be traded
Barganini is worthless. Another soft Euro. I could outrebound him. Fire Colangelo!
DeRozan in his rookie year had inferior stats compared to Bargs' rookie season (and also to his infamous sophomore year...)
still, you feel that these two guys deserve nore respect and they can be the go-to-guy for the Raps...
ok, Andrea is clearly not MJ, Kobe or Lebron, but it's still a good player and there's still room to improve, why bashing him all the time?
Exactly what do you want. Four years in the league and he gives you 18 and 7 per game. Not too many guys, seven foot or not, who do that.
Like too many Toronto fans you want an immediate win situation, well guess what, only one team wins each year and 29 others lose.
It's a long process to build a team unless you get lucky and add a couple of bodies who quickly turn things around (Boston)
Bargnani is a valuable piece and should be part of the puzzle going forward, not discarded because he can't win it on his own.
It's not just that he is missing shots - he is clearly the weak link of the defense - missing rotation help and so-so one on one.
Thats why sMitch benched him and that's the best he will ever be is a slick shooting offensive big man who runs hot and cold - and is a below ave. defender rebounded.... he just doesn't care... its obvious.
"I may be wrong ... but I doubt it"
I typically dont reply to many comments on this forum but yours my dear learned Raptors fan, I just couldn't let it go; "he can't win it on his own". Are you effin serious! He had a perrenial all star with him the last two years plus Marion the season before last plus Hedo last season and he couldn't get us to the play offs.
When his metal was put to the test he failed miserabley, many will deny and make excuses and point fingers, but the records are there when he played PF when Bosh was injured. The one that stings the most is the loss to Chicago at the ACC which practically eleminated us from the play offs.
Anyways I guess some have made up there mind that AB plays with impunity and maybe when his career is done they will come back to blame the organization for not surrounding him with the right players.
I wouldn't trade him, regardless of whether or not he expanse his game passed what we have already seen of him I think there r skills he has that are a asset to any team. The coaches will have to find a way to make him productive.
BC will take his time and find the right fit - also he will need proven franchise talent in place to cover his a$$.
What does it mean?.... likely another full season of Bargs maybe a big move with the 15mil MLE + two first rounders which expire just after the draft. BC will get his contract renewed and finish the make over of the roster.
Plug your nose for one more season of streaky bargs - 2010-2011 is a rebuilding year - just going to have to face it.
"I may be wrong ... but I doubt it"
It is not the right time to ship Bargs in my opinion. This effectively tells a potential suitor that he is so bad that we can't even wait out pre-season to see if he blossoms. It is not like adding one more player is going to get us over The Hump, so what's the rush? It isn't as if anyone who might be interested doesn't already know about the mediocre rebounding and soft defense, so his stock is not likely to drop much in the next 2-3 months.
Personally, I would send a clear message to B and basically say: you have until December to prove you can be the player we want you to be in the system we want to run. If not, no hard feelings but let's move in a different direction before much longer.
The absolute WORST thing that could happen is that we are have to have this conversation again next year. If B makes it through this year without improvement AND without a trade I will be upset.
One could argue that it was because the opponents were more focused on Bosh, therefore giving extra space to play with.Exactly what do you want. Four years in the league and he gives you 18 and 7 per game. Not too many guys, seven foot or not, who do that.
I agree with you on this point. Fans have to be patient with the team, but we gave Bargs 4 years of playing with Bosh.Like too many Toronto fans you want an immediate win situation, well guess what, only one team wins each year and 29 others lose.
I don't care about wins, heck I don't care about stats so much either, its all about the effort this year and everyone (including Jose) had it last night. Bargs was the only guy that was clearly not focused.Bargnani is a valuable piece and should be part of the puzzle going forward, not discarded because he can't win it on his own.
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