Everything Bargnani: Grumble, Grumble, Grumble

[Legalize-It]

Bargnani had two years playing with Nesterovic, who won a Championship as the starting center on the Spurs, one of the best defensive teams of the last decade. I'm not sure what more you can ask for.

And the point is that you can't simply teach someone team defense. You can show them what they are supposed to do, but it's really up to them to make it instinctual. And what is a veteran big man going to do that a coach can't? A coach is there to teach.



Kind of what you said here...



And you didn't really ask a question as much as tried to point out how obvious it should be that Colangelo hasn't brought in a veteran big man to show Bargnani team defense when a) he has, and b) it's the assistant coaches job to do that and c) nothing anyone does is going to teach Bargnani something that he hasn't been able to learn in four years in the NBA.

so why do players like dwight go out of their way to thank and point out how much of an impact a certain vet has had on them ?

[Legalize-It]

Bargnani had two years playing with Nesterovic, who won a Championship as the starting center on the Spurs, one of the best defensive teams of the last decade. I'm not sure what more you can ask for.

And the point is that you can't simply teach someone team defense. You can show them what they are supposed to do, but it's really up to them to make it instinctual. And what is a veteran big man going to do that a coach can't? A coach is there to teach.



Kind of what you said here...



And you didn't really ask a question as much as tried to point out how obvious it should be that Colangelo hasn't brought in a veteran big man to show Bargnani team defense when a) he has, and b) it's the assistant coaches job to do that and c) nothing anyone does is going to teach Bargnani something that he hasn't been able to learn in four years in the NBA.

and dont mix two quotes from two different posts... you are the one who said dont make assumptions, after my OP.... in my OP i asked a question...

the dont post before you do research or w/e i said was much later...

it takes a very low person to intentionally take things out of context to prove a point...

[MangoKid]

why dont you go look up when ewing came in and joined the magic...

was dwight already a beast by that time or what ?

another good question would be... is ewing helping dwight with his offense or defense ?

Oh, I know when Ewing officially joined the Magic on the staff - the 2007-08 season, but he was doing guest coaching and was a special consultant to the Magic in Howard's second season.

I would say that Ewing is helping Howard on both sides of the ball - showing him tricks of rebouding, defensive positioning, free throws. Hell, Howard learned that running hook from Ewing.

[Legalize-It]

nothing anyone does is going to teach Bargnani something that he hasn't been able to learn in four years in the NBA.

the question was why didnt BC do this before ??

and rasho is not a player to learn defense from... the spurs won with fabricio oberto as their starting C... that doesnt make him a good mentor does it ?

[Mack North]

hey mango kid, which HOF'er can we get to join the raptors to teach andrea some stuff ?

who do you have in mind ?? how bout bill russell ?? or wilt chamberlain ?? bill walton ?? yea those are all real possibilities to not only join the raptors but to travel and practice with the team... maybe wilt champberlain can play too ??

omg maybe he could start and we could move bargs to the 4 !!

does anyone have bc's phone number ?

It would seem as though the two Bill's are a little old at this point. And didn't you know that Wilt died like 10 years ago?

[MangoKid]

and dont mix two quotes from two different posts... you are the one who said dont make assumptions, after my OP.... in my OP i asked a question...

the dont post before you do research or w/e i said was much later...

it takes a very low person to intentionally take things out of context to prove a point...

You're calling Tim a low person by quoting you yet you call people names and tell them to STFU? LOL!

[Legalize-It]

Oh, I know when Ewing officially joined the Magic on the staff - the 2007-08 season, but he was doing guest coaching and was a special consultant to the Magic in Howard's second season.

I would say that Ewing is helping Howard on both sides of the ball - showing him tricks of rebouding, defensive positioning, free throws. Hell, Howard learned that running hook from Ewing.

do you have anything to back any of this up on ? or is it just your personal opinion on what ewing is teaching howard ??

are you sure about this ? more sure then your assessment on battie and foyle's impact on d12 ?

[Legalize-It]

You're calling Tim a low person by quoting you yet you call people names and tell them to STFU? LOL!

yea simple name calling isnt as bad as purposely misleading people by taking two quotes from two different posts and implying they are from the same post.

[MangoKid]

the question was why didnt BC do this before ??

and rasho is not a player to learn defense from... the spurs won with fabricio oberto as their starting C... that doesnt make him a good mentor does it ?

I'd take Oberto as a special guest coach. He's no longer an active player.

[Legalize-It]

You're calling Tim a low person by quoting you yet you call people names and tell them to STFU? LOL!

telling someone not to act like a bitch is not name calling.... is it ?

[Legalize-It]

I'd take Oberto as a special guest coach. He's no longer an active player.

thanks for the update

[MangoKid]

yea simple name calling isnt as bad as purposely misleading people by taking two quotes from two different posts and implying they are from the same post.

How is it misleading? They are afterall your posts. He did nothing wrong. I'd say name calling is far worse. Shows a lack of maturity - that you can't hang with the big boys.

[MangoKid]

telling someone not to act like a bitch is not name calling.... is it ?

What really gives you the right to say that? Tactful much?

[Tim W.]

so why do players like dwight go out of their way to thank and point out how much of an impact a certain vet has had on them ?

Maybe because that certain veteran had a big impact on him. It doesn't mean that just getting a veteran big man is going to do anything. The fact of the matter is that the coaches do the majority of the teaching. Again, that's what they're there for. It's an assistant coach who is going to usually spend extra time with a player to show him something. Not a player.

the question was why didnt BC do this before ??

and rasho is not a player to learn defense from... the spurs won with fabricio oberto as their starting C... that doesnt make him a good mentor does it ?

Nesterovic spent eight years in the league, including three as the starting center on one of the best teams in the league. He has been heralded as being a quality locker room presence and good mentor, which is why he was asked back for a second time with the Raptors. Nesterovic was a very good team defender throughout his career who, despite not being very athletic or quick, was able to be a valuable contributor wherever he went. Why wouldn't he have been a good player to learn defense from?

And while Oberto certainly didn't have the NBA background that Nesterovic did, why wouldn't he be a good veteran to learn from?

and dont mix two quotes from two different posts... you are the one who said dont make assumptions, after my OP.... in my OP i asked a question...

the dont post before you do research or w/e i said was much later...

it takes a very low person to intentionally take things out of context to prove a point...

Well, at least I didn't insult you personally. And I was simply pointing out that you also seemed to have no problem telling people to do more research.

[Legalize-It]

Maybe because that certain veteran had a big impact on him. It doesn't mean that just getting a veteran big man is going to do anything. The fact of the matter is that the coaches do the majority of the teaching. Again, that's what they're there for. It's an assistant coach who is going to usually spend extra time with a player to show him something. Not a player.



Nesterovic spent eight years in the league, including three as the starting center on one of the best teams in the league. He has been heralded as being a quality locker room presence and good mentor, which is why he was asked back for a second time with the Raptors. Nesterovic was a very good team defender throughout his career who, despite not being very athletic or quick, was able to be a valuable contributor wherever he went. Why wouldn't he have been a good player to learn defense from?

And while Oberto certainly didn't have the NBA background that Nesterovic did, why wouldn't he be a good veteran to learn from?



Well, at least I didn't insult you personally. And I was simply pointing out that you also seemed to have no problem telling people to do more research.

when did i insult you personally ? thats question number 1

you were the one who falsely accused me of making assumptions

coaches can teach all they want... but people who have actually PLAYED IN THE NBA at that position can teach a few things to younger players...

is jay triano going to teach bargs how to play center ? really ?

who on the coaching staff has played in the nba at the 4 or the 5 ?

[Legalize-It]

tim i dont get it...

first you said it's pointless to bring in a vet to mentor a young kid, b/c that's what coaches are for ?

then you go on to say that bc did that with rasho ?

so which is it ? is it pointless ? or was rasho the guy that we signed to mentor bargs... and its not pointless ?

[Nick]

Hey LEGALIZE-IT, you still haven't answered me: Please tell me, who are all of these credible big men that could teach Andrea this? And of those available, who could we get? I'm truly interested! I don't think you can answer that question because by looking at all your posts your a complete jerkoff who has no idea what he's talking about.

[Legalize-It]

Hey LEGALIZE-IT, you still haven't answered me: Please tell me, who are all of these credible big men that could teach Andrea this? And of those available, who could we get? I'm truly interested! I don't think you can answer that question because by looking at all your posts your a complete jerkoff who has no idea what he's talking about.

ohh no is that more name calling ?? you better watch out or i will tell on you to mangokid....

i guess you're right, since barg's was drafted there HAVE BEEN NO JOURNEY MEN BIG MEN WHO HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE...

YOU KNOW ADONIS FOYLE, TONY BATTIE TYPES...

you won the argument nick...

signing veterans to help your young players develop is useless !

[Tim W.]

when did i insult you personally ? thats question number 1

you were the one who falsely accused me of making assumptions

Look back, if you don't find it then our meaning of insult is obviously a little different, as is our idea of what being a douche is.

coaches can teach all they want... but people who have actually PLAYED IN THE NBA at that position can teach a few things to younger players...

is jay triano going to teach bargs how to play center ? really ?

who on the coaching staff has played in the nba at the 4 or the 5 ?

You don't necessarily need to have played a certain position in the NBA to be able to teach it, just as you aren't necessarily able to teach someone a certain position just because you played it.

Pete Newell was the best big man coach in the history of the game and he never played a minute in the league and was only 6'2.

tim i dont get it...

first you said it's pointless to bring in a vet to mentor a young kid, b/c that's what coaches are for ?

then you go on to say that bc did that with rasho ?

so which is it ? is it pointless ? or was rasho the guy that we signed to mentor bargs... and its not pointless ?

It IS pointless and the fact that Colangelo already brought in a big man in Bargnani first couple of seasons proves that it was pointless.

[Legalize-It]

Look back, if you don't find it then our meaning of insult is obviously a little different, as is our idea of what being a douche is.



You don't necessarily need to have played a certain position in the NBA to be able to teach it, just as you aren't necessarily able to teach someone a certain position just because you played it.

Pete Newell was the best big man coach in the history of the game and he never played a minute in the league and was only 6'2.



It IS pointless and the fact that Colangelo already brought in a big man in Bargnani first couple of seasons proves that it was pointless.

i didnt say coaches CANT TEACH... i said players who HAVE PLAYED THE GAME AT THAT POSITION can JUST MAYBE ADD TO THAT TEACHING !