View Poll Results: Grade Bargnani's game.
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Thu Nov 18th, 2010, 03:31 PM
Lets wager on him making the all star game...
Lets wager how many double rebound games he has this season,shooting pct....
Lets wager him comparatively to his contemporaries...
Thu Nov 18th, 2010, 11:37 PM
Challenge... name a current center with more offensive talent than Andrea Bargnani.
Not so easy is it?
3 centers in the past 10 years have averaged 20+ points in at least one season: Shaquille O'Neal, Yao Ming, and Dwight Howard. (6 if you also include Jermaine O'Neal, Pau Gasol, and Tim Duncan, who have played both PF and C at times.)
AB has a great shot at 20+ this year, and I don't think that's debatable. Why then are we so quick to shoot down the notion that he may in fact be a top 10 center, and a potential all-star at that? Is it just because of his rebounding statistics? If he had 20 and 9 instead of 20 and 5, would it make that much of a difference? (I'm actually really curious about this.)
Seems like a lot of people look straight past the things that he can do and fixate on the things he can't. I would argue that, among centers, Andrea is the best 3-point shooter and shot creator in the league, and probably top 5 in almost every other offensive category.
Yes, his rebounding stinks, and his defence isn't spectacular, but so be it. Every player has their weaknesses. It just so happens that most of the time it's the offensive side of the game that 7-footers have trouble with. Maybe that's why there's always so much hoopla around Andrea... he's different.
Just because he doesn't grab 8 rebounds a game and actually makes his free throws, it doesn't automatically make him a subpar center.
In my opinion, there are only 4-5 centers that are clearly better overall players:
Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol (inteirm C), Joakim Noah, Al Horford, and maybe Roy Hibbert.
In the same class as Bargnani:
Al Jefferson, Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman, Brook Lopez, Andrew Bogut.
That puts him as high as 5th or as low as 11th, placing him relatively safely inside my Top 10.
Fri Nov 19th, 2010, 12:28 AM
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Well, first of all his rebounding does stink, as does his defence. "Isn't spectacular" would be a massive improvement. And there's a difference between a weakness and a liability. Bargnani has two great big ones.
Bynum (when healthy), Bogut and Lopez are light years ahead of Bargnani. They can get you 20 points on any given night, grab 10 boards, but also make a difference on the defensive end.
Kaman averaged more ppg last year than Bargnani (he's recovering from injury, this year) AND grabbed 9.3 rebounds per game. He's not a good defender, but he's also not a liability on that end like Bargnani is.
Al Jefferson is probably one of the best low post players in the game, and before his injury, averaged 23 ppg and 11 rpg. Bargnani will never, ever average that. He's a horrible defender, but at least he rebounds the basketball.
Again, it depends what you value. If you overvalue offense, and undervalue defense and rebounding, you might overvalue Bargnani. But defense and rebounding are just as important as offense, and Bargnani is horrible at both of those. Being great at one thing and being absolutely horrible in two other very important aspects of winning doesn't put you in the top ten list. It should put you on the bench.
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