Everything Bargnani: Grumble, Grumble, Grumble

[iggyiggyigoudala]

He scores like a top ten center, but until he learns to grab a rebound, he wont be one. Personally I think he will never learn, but hopefully he proves me wrong.

[nubreed000]

Not even close to being Top 10. A guy whose only contribution is the random 20-28 point game should not be in this sort of discussion.

[Legalize-It]

"Still" emplies he was at one time a top ten center at the least. Is that the case? I don't think so. He's not now and wasn't before now.

but some people thought he WAS... so the "still" is in reference to if they "still" think he IS a top 10 C.

[Tim W.]

again tim, i stated that some people at one time thought bargs was a top 10 c... and then asked a simple question if they still felt that way ?

why are you telling me to get some perspectve, for asking a simple question ?

my OP was two lines?

was it too hard to just read and answer without making degrading comments and insults ?

Degrading comments and insults? What are you talking about? Read the paragraph before I said to get some perspective. It was obviously directed generally, not specifically.

You need to relax, a little.

And the previous comment was directed at your specifically, by the way, just so there's no confusion.

[Tim W.]

i've heard talk shows in the states, and if bargs was playing in a city like philly or nyk, he would be getting ripped apart by everyone including the homer media...

New York and Philadelphia are different. The media and fans eat their young, there.

[RaptorsFan4Life]

Are you guys watching the 76ers game?

Andrea Bargnani 30 PT 12-18 FG 5-6 FT 1-3 3P 7/0 RB 1 AS 1 BL 0 ST 3 TO 3 PF 36 MN (Final, 76ers)

Bargs has been playing really well most of the season. Stop overreacting.

[insight_tor]

LOL ... Andrea with 30 Points (12-18)/7 Rebounds/1 Block against Philly. Seriously, who do you get at 8mil/year to do what Andrea is doing?

[Legalize-It]

LOL ... Andrea with 30 Points (12-18)/7 Rebounds/1 Block against Philly. Seriously, who do you get at 8mil/year to do what Andrea is doing?

yea against an eastern conference powerhouse too !!

[Krix]

LOL ... Andrea with 30 Points (12-18)/7 Rebounds/1 Block against Philly. Seriously, who do you get at 8mil/year to do what Andrea is doing?

Let's see him do that 2 games in a row, regardless of who the competition is. I'm happy for him, but we know what he can do, it's consistency we're looking for.

[Bendit]

Both Philadelphia and Detroit really are blue collar cities. Detroit is most famous for it's car manufacturing, and the people that make them.

I think Toronto really likes hustling, blue collar type players but that's the case with every city. Even L.A.

I do think that Colangelo attempted to give the team a bit of an identity, and did when he first came. That team that won 47 games was a team made up of European and American players and sensibilities. I think a GM needs to be more focused on creating a team that can win rather than trying to create an identity that matches the city.

I have always thought of TO as a miniature NYC in many regards (lived in both). So, while NYC in many ways is not typically characterized as a blue collar town, those who support pro sports there, have been "blue collar" attitudinally at the very least. I believe this to be similar about the TO experience. The other cities you mention just have less of the bonafide champagne set.

[DoNDaDDa]

bargs is a decent SG. too bad hes a 7footer with no lateral quicks or leaping ability, if he could guard two's consistantly he might forge a decent pro career LOL

[footie]

Sure if I was a pacers fan ! but I am not.

[kuzzybear]

Not a top 10 center, never going to be a top 10 center. no desire , no tough attitude, no BB IQ, he can only post meaningless stats in meaningless games.

[robguy]

i've heard talk shows in the states, and if bargs was playing in a city like philly or nyk, he would be getting ripped apart by everyone including the homer media...

Well then, on a couple of NY Knicks broadcasts the last couple of years (not including this years as I missed them), the MSG announcers were raving about Bargnani at times.Just sayin!

[RaptorDan]

Bargnani played pretty well tonight, like he often does. Sure he can be better, but he ain't so bad. He has his off nights like yesterday, but usually he doesn't do horrendously. The talent level in general is pretty low on Raptors this year, and we're going to suck for a while. But Bargnani is not our biggest issue. I'm sure that he is the player on this team that most GMs would want. Besides Derozan, who else would GMs seriously want?

[blackjitsu]

Both Philadelphia and Detroit really are blue collar cities. Detroit is most famous for it's car manufacturing, and the people that make them.

I think Toronto really likes hustling, blue collar type players but that's the case with every city. Even L.A.

I do think that Colangelo attempted to give the team a bit of an identity, and did when he first came. That team that won 47 games was a team made up of European and American players and sensibilities. I think a GM needs to be more focused on creating a team that can win rather than trying to create an identity that matches the city.

In the present state of our team, your probably right. Do you think BC trying to create an identity will be his downfall?

[blackjitsu]

I have always thought of TO as a miniature NYC in many regards (lived in both). So, while NYC in many ways is not typically characterized as a blue collar town, those who support pro sports there, have been "blue collar" attitudinally at the very least. I believe this to be similar about the TO experience. The other cities you mention just have less of the bonafide champagne set.

There was a parallel to hockey towns in our convo, but the idea of the fanbase being more blue-collar than the city is pretty interesting. But honestly I'm not sure if its true. When I was a kid I spent a lot of time in Crown Heights (BK) and the only time we went to Manhattan was a show or concert...Knicks games never came up. Did kids dream of playin there? Ya but noone I knew could afford to go to a game and that was a long time ago. I see Knick fans (who visit MSG) upper middle class to wealthy people roughin it while Rap fans can hustle some tickets under twenty if they have connects. I'm sure things have changed and how people look at savin money has definitely changed since them.

[Raptor4Ever]

LOL, Eric Smith is a moron if he said that.
29 GM are willing to trade for AB right now ?? For what role ?

Starting center or PF ?
Or there are 29 GM in the NBA who are willing to pay a guy 10 million a year to come of the bench and just score for them ?
What are those 29 GM willing to give us back ? a Bad contract or a 2nd round draft pick ?
How many of those GM's are willing to give AB the role that BC has given him in Toronto ?


Guys like Eric Smith and Doug Smith make me puke when I read their pure BS about Raptors.

Thank god for RR and their unbiased realistic writers like Arsenalist and Sam and ... that provide us with real informaton and opinion about the Raptor team.

[RaptorDan]

Bargs played pretty good tonight. Still want the witch hunt?

[blackjitsu]

Hibbert is a real starting Center. I think I would.