Everything Bargnani: Grumble, Grumble, Grumble

[Matt52]

There is a lot of critics of Bargnani - rightfully so. However, he does a lot of good for the Raptors. This was evident tonight versus the Bulls.

The Bulls are a very good defensive team (9th best in the league). However the Raptors had nothing going on offense. Part of this could be and is attributable to Calderon not playing however even in the three prior games without Calderon they have still averaged nearly 112 points per game.

Tonight with no Bargnani, the Bulls clogged the middle, gave the Raptors nothing, and dared Weems, DD, Kleiza, Wright, Davis and Johnson to beat them with jumpers. The only real threat to score from the outside was Bayless and Barbosa.

It is my opinion, Bargnani's mere presence creates opportunities for teammates by creating space and drawing the opposing teams bigs out of the key.

The Bargnani-Bashers will disagree but I'm just calling it like I see it tonight.

Regardless if Bargnani plays, sits, or is traded, the Raptors need to get better on the WINGS.

*EDIT: Forgot to mention the Raps were able to put up 106ppg against the top defensive team in the league, BOS*

[WhatWhat]

It is my opinion, Bargnani's mere presence creates opportunities for teammates by creating space and drawing the opposing teams bigs out of the key.

The guy's still the best player on the team. They're not better when he's gone. It's also why they're heading for the lottery.

[jrdyck]

I believe the saying goes... you don't know what you have till it's gone. We missed Bargs big time tonight.

[Bendit]

This is a false premise and comparison.

Any team in the league which has it's starting centre and point guard not playing is bound to have a bad time of it. Especially against a team like the Bulls. The point being that it did not necessarily have to be Bargnani playing centre for the Raptors.

[Krix]

I don't know if we can all assume the latent value of Bargs from ONE bad game. AT the very least, we've had many more equally bad games WITH him playing.

[RaptorDan]

The Raps gave up 63 first half points without Bargnani. He is part of the problem, not THE problem.

Amen brother. Enough of this trade Bargnani shit every time he has a bad game. While some may think that we are crappy with him, we are listeria riddled bloody fart crap without him. And without both Calderon and Bargnani we have the makings of a cholera infested cesspool. Maybe I should analyse the poop being laid on the floor each night so I can throw up some useless shitty stats too. This board needs an enema.

[RaptorDan]

There is a lot of critics of Bargnani - rightfully so. However, he does a lot of good for the Raptors. This was evident tonight versus the Bulls.

The Bulls are a very good defensive team (9th best in the league). However the Raptors had nothing going on offense. Part of this could be and is attributable to Calderon not playing however even in the three prior games without Calderon they have still averaged nearly 112 points per game.

Tonight with no Bargnani, the Bulls clogged the middle, gave the Raptors nothing, and dared Weems, DD, Kleiza, Wright, Davis and Johnson to beat them with jumpers. The only real threat to score from the outside was Bayless and Barbosa.

It is my opinion, Bargnani's mere presence creates opportunities for teammates by creating space and drawing the opposing teams bigs out of the key.

The Bargnani-Bashers will disagree but I'm just calling it like I see it tonight.

Regardless if Bargnani plays, sits, or is traded, the Raptors need to get better on the WINGS.

*EDIT: Forgot to mention the Raps were able to put up 106ppg against the top defensive team in the league, BOS*

I agree wholeheartedly and you're analysis is pretty much what I think. Right now, the wings have the least talent on the team and either some tangible development needs to happen this season or I'm sure BC will upgrade. A lane clogging shot blocking rebounding freak of nature center would be nice too. But for the love of Kali, Bargs is what we have now, so why so many f'n posts ripping him apart. He is the least of our worries.

[DoNDaDDa]

YOU ARE RIGHT!

if bargs was playing we prob. loose by more & Boozer prob gets 54 instead of 34...LOL

he def. showed us all... his value! LOL

he def showed us we no worse off without him..

bulls are a good team & we prob. loose with bargs too...

atleast davis didnt get abused by Nazi & kwame & big Ben..

i bet even Hoffa would punish bargs in the post LOL

Boozer has made a living punishing people in the post...& alot have failed at guarding him... hes a beast..the kind of beast we need

[Multipaul]

My guess is blue balls, from hitting your chin a thousand thrusts-per-minute. No Homo.

If i wanted a comeback i'd tell ur grandma to spit. When u learn about sports please come back and post.for now,go back to h&m to buy more blazers and scarves you toronto hatin queef

[RaptorDan]

If i wanted a comeback i'd tell ur grandma to spit.

I thought I had heard them all until this one. I had to laugh. I'm adding that to the arsenal for sure.

[teoserio]

Rasho in 2006-07 and 2007-08.

lol

[heinz57]

This thread makes Zan Tabak a sad panda.

[heinz57]

If i wanted a comeback i'd tell ur grandma to spit.

lol. awesome

[heinz57]

to be perfectly honest, i love threads like this.

sure it's postivity based on extreme subjectivity.. but its better than the regular objective pessimism on this board. it's depressing opening the forum, and EVERY thread is "bargs has to go", "triano should be fired", "trade davis now!"

it's nice to know somebody has something nice to say about the team and players we all apparently support.. even if he's setting himself up to get bombarded by the hater peanut gallery

[Multipaul]

"peanut gallery"

awesome

[MangoKid]

I laughed when I read this. Is Bargnani the best centre the Raptors have had? No. But he's close. Then again, this team in its short history has never had many memorable/notable centres.

[Raptor4Ever]

The game against the Bulls showed what AB means to this team and what guys like Amir and Weems are capable of doing

[Multipaul]

Prezec was pretty notable

[MangoKid]

Prezec was pretty notable

Who was Prezec? And if you meant Brezec, he wasn't notable.

[Multipaul]

Who was Prezec? And if you meant Brezec, he wasn't notable.

Primoz Brezec..the gangsta