I think Wayne Winston needs to watch more basketball, because it's apparent to me he hasn't.
I think Wayne Winston needs to watch more basketball, because it's apparent to me he hasn't.
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It's math Timbo, you know it's correctTim W. wrote:
He does explain why they were left off the list, but obviously these stats don't take into consideration 'intimidation'. Which I think Dwight and Kobe both offer in mounds, and is a VERY unique 'skill' to bring to a team.
Well I think these are him just interpreting and translating the numbers. Stats are stats. But like I said, I'm not sure these weigh ALL variables perfectly accurately.
Still interesting none-the-less. Won't ever lead to a SINGLE change in formatting or anything... unfortunately. Not sure we get another All-Star any other way for a few years. haha
Great. Amir can start next to Jamal Crawford in the All-Star game, with Bargnani and Fields coming off the bench. Because it makes sense.
+1
Fields is a beast
Last edited by Multipaul; Tue Feb 1st, 2011 at 02:25 PM.
Just in case. I was being sarcastic.
I'd take Field over Bargnani. That kid is a baller.
So did anyone actually look at the rest of that list?
Brook Lopez over Dwight Howard?
Jamaal Crawford over...anybody?
DJ Augustin?
Jason Terry?
Just to add one thing, Winston's own team rankings place NJ 4th last in the league, yet he lists two of it's players as All-Stars. Ditto the Raps, who are 2nd last, with 2. If that doesn't demonstrate that something is 'off' in his analysis, I don't know what can.
edit: Looking closer at how he came up with the list, it clearly favours offensive players. All he's done is taken how many more points a player scores than your 'average' NBA player, then add the number of points that differentiates them from an average player on the defensive end. So a guy like Al Horford, who has a solid defensive impact but doesn't score much gets the shaft. It's a hell of a lot easier to make a net positive offensive impact when you look at a basic stat like ppg than it is to make a large net positive impact on defense. Sorry, but that list is crap.
Last edited by Nine New Faces; Tue Feb 1st, 2011 at 02:37 PM.
Hey, numbers don't lie!
Numbers DO lie. They lie all the time.
Study Jason Kapono before he came to Toronto if you think the only thing that matters is numbers. Then study him once he got to Toronto.
This is because his numbers take into consideration who each player is playing WITH and as well AGAINST.
Bad teams have alot of Bad Players, and play against better players; according to Winston, the good players deserve more praise for still being good while surrounded by so much bad.
Thats how I interpret it.. not sure I agree, but thats how I read it. haha
"Who's got the Numb#rs? You tell me." hahah
i agree with you... i just love the 1+1=5 pic..
stastical analysis, and people who use it as the basis of arguments, really do need to be taken with a grain of salt...
i was just flabbergasted by this thread after reading "Amir KILLS Bargs in adjusted plus/minus, which is exactly the stat Winston covets."
i damn near thought multipaul created an alias account.
Just to be clear, I'm not asserting anything other than Wayne Winston claims that Amir and Bargs are all stars via his method.
+1
PS, imagine we could have Bargs at the 4, and Bogut at 5
+1
Using his model then Chris Bosh went from mega all-star to dud as quick as signing a dotted line.
Interesting Article on Andrea Bargnani and the Raptors
Zach Lowe wrote an article saying pretty much what most Raptors fans know except the biased ones who can't be objective.
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011...ors/#more-4920
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