In the first game, which they lost 85-81, Okafor and West combined for 26 rebounds (16 of which were offensive).
In the second game, which they won 96-90, Okafor and West combined for 17 rebounds (5 of which were offensive).
To not give Bargnani credit for helping keep those guys off the offensive glass is ridiculous - even if he had a horrible offensive game and defensively his help sucked as much as usual.
Everyone wants to him to do the little things, and when he does them, he still gets grief - or anyone who points out he did the little things.
-Okafor only played 20 mintues (and grabbed 3 offensive and 7 defensive in that time)
-Landry played alot of minutes, and the dude can't grab a rebound to save his life (he is
6'7"... and that is a stretch)
In fact Okafor and West grabbed right around their season average (per minute) in offensive rebounds. Just because they didn't dominate him (mainly due to above) like they did last time does not mean he 'did the little things'.
Please please please stop this Bargnani boxes out for others crap. He doesn't box out with any regularity. (him boxing out once or twice a game does not count as doing it regularily) he didn't last night. Watch the frickin game... open your eyes. Thank Amir, Ed, Jose and JJ for doing the little things.
this thread is like watching two fat kids argue over a cinnabun.
move this crap to the bargs thread.
Anyways, glad I was able to give you a reason to post the stats for both Barg and Amir however, there is a different in Size and in minutes so there should be no comparing there! Barg is good but he just can't rebound or chooses not to so I guess it's up to me to accept that about him. lol
Now I know you're on something!
No need for this kind of talk. He said nothing to offend you. Nor I for that matter. You don't like the post, don't comment on it. It was just a matter of fact about the last game. Over and out!
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not trying to hate on the haters... there's arguments for and against bargs i totally agree with... but these threads popping up are about as annoying as the fake porn webcam ad with sound that keeps popping up behind my browser because i accidentally clicked on the wrong banner while looking for porn a couple weeks ago.
it adds nothing new... ya, bargs is a pretty awful rebounder.... but we all knew that ages ago... the constant love/hate argument for bargs is like waterboarding
Could you clarifiy where I made reference to him boxing out once or twice a game counting as a regular occurrence?
You are absolutely correct the other guys deserve credit for the little things that they normally do not do (for exmaple, Ed Davis hit a foul line jumper). Very few players have complete games. Bargnani will never be a great rebounder - which is a big part of the game of basketball, unfortunately. I've even given up on average. But if solid rebounders can be placed around him and he can atleast ensure his man does not get the ball I, for one, will be very happy.
I would suggest you also watch the games - but try to do it with an open mind minus the preconceived notions.
By the way, alot of those points that Jose got were of Bargs assists, especially the crucial 3 ball late in the 4th when Bargs got the touch, drew the double, then found Jose across the court for the 3 ball. Smart play.
I'm not hating on Bargs, I'm just reasonable enough to admit that someday's he plays great, someday's he plays ok, and someday's he plays crap. Yesterday was okay. He did do the little things, he did help out the team, but he did not CARRY THIS WIN as so many of you seem to believe. He helped out, this was the game where Jose led us to victory. Jose outscored Paul, outrebounded Paul, Outassisted Paul, kept that guy to a horrible game, nearly got a triple double, shot 70% from FG, 75% from 3Pt line, had an 8.0 Assist-to-Turnover Ratio for the night.
IF you guys can't accept that, fine, but stop spreading your delusions about what happened otherwise....
This is like saying Robert Horry carried Game 3 for the Lakers in the 2001 NBA finals. He made a clutch play, but otherwise it was guys like Shaq who CARRIED the team that night...
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